This really fits in with the shift from an ego-system perspective to an eco-system perspective that Otto S talks about... thanks for making it clearer for me Michael...
On 27 June 2015 at 05:33, Michael Herman via OSList < [email protected]> wrote: > i want to add something to what you're saying about acting UPON the system > and acting IN the system, paul. i think there's a third way. > > it's common, as you say, for people to separate and try to have some > effect UPON the Self, the circle, the system. we call it managing, > directing, imposing, controlling, and improving – and the shape is the same > even if we're trying to improve "open space." it's all outside and > unsatisfied. then there is, as you say, acting IN the system. people > announcing sessions, floating around as butterflies, and so on. > > the third way takes a certain kind of person and/or a good deal of > practice, maybe even a little luck (a few martinis, perhaps?). the third > way is when little individual separate selves manage to speak up AS the > Self. this is just the opposite of the manager self attempting to speak > for the Self. > > in those moments, mostly fleeting, of necessity, because it's hard to hold > that form, hard to stay on that wave, (or maybe because there's often so > little that can or must be "said" or "done"), when we speak AS the gathered > Self, we are still our selves, but our selves are not in charge. we do and > become things, as harrison suggests, that we might not otherwise choose or > intend or even want. but whatever happens... > > the wave of Self picks us up and moves us AND we are that wave. we must > always and everywhere be holding space for ourselves and diving for cover > in Self, or is that holding space for ourSelves and diving for cover in > self? <grin> > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > Michael Herman > Michael Herman Associates > http://MichaelHerman.com > http://OpenSpaceWorld.org > > > On Fri, Jun 26, 2015 at 5:40 PM, Harrison via OSList < > [email protected]> wrote: > >> Paul... Being the contrarian that I am, I rather think that the “Self” in >> question is -- itself -- a product of self organization. Weird, I guess – >> but that has definitely been my life experience. The “self” that I am >> definitely was not the product of my intent or design. It may not have >> happened “all by itself,” but I didn’t have too much to do with it, as >> least as I am aware. How about those bananas? >> >> >> >> Harrison >> >> >> >> Winter Address >> >> 7808 River Falls Drive >> >> Potomac, MD 20854 >> >> 301-365-2093 >> >> >> >> Summer Address >> >> 189 Beaucaire Ave. >> >> Camden, ME 04843 >> >> 207-763-3261 >> >> >> >> Websites >> >> www.openspaceworld.com <http://%20www.openspaceworld.com> >> >> www.ho-image.com >> >> OSLIST To subscribe, unsubscribe, change your options, view the archives >> of OSLIST Go to: >> http://lists.openspacetech.org/listinfo.cgi/oslist-openspacetech.org >> >> >> >> *From:* OSList [mailto:[email protected]] *On >> Behalf Of *paul levy via OSList >> *Sent:* Friday, June 26, 2015 8:01 AM >> *To:* Harrison; World wide Open Space Technology email list >> *Cc:* Steve Piersanti >> *Subject:* Re: [OSList] 30 Years ... and Counting! >> >> >> >> Harrison >> >> >> >> I do like this little phrase "organising - all by itself" >> >> >> >> I've wondered, via this list, before: what is this "self" that organises? >> >> >> >> When, I stand, as a self (called Paul) and behold the world process (in >> which I stand) - I stand apart as the beholder, but also behold the wonder >> that I am part of that world process as well. >> >> >> >> Apart and belonging. the universe seems to have within it, an ability to >> behold its-self. (Itself - Its self) >> >> >> >> Here's a poem I wrote a while back, in a little book called The Poetry of >> Change: >> >> >> >> Cleft... >> >> >> >> Like a cleft stick >> >> You are no longer >> >> Whole >> >> See? >> >> Yet even >> >> Whole >> >> You were ripped from >> >> A tree. >> >> >> >> It's easy to forget that the ability to behold self-organisation and to >> share it so eloquently on this list, as Harrison does, requires a self to >> behold it (and to know it is a self doing the beholding). When we behold >> self-organisation, we necessarily behold ourselves at the same time. >> Self-organisation is an act of self organisation (not the lack of a hyphen >> in the second one). Organisation is beautiful and the distaste for it is >> silly and pointless. Because organisation and self-organisation are one and >> the same thing. >> >> >> >> There is a form of organisation however where the self imposes its >> temporarily separate will onto other selves and, in the process forgets >> itself. It forgets that it is part of the system it is imposing its will >> upon. There can be many reasons for this which I won't go into here. When >> one or more selves forget they are part of the thing they are imposing >> their will on, the whole system can go into a state of suffering because it >> temporarily loses its wholeness. This can happen in a conference when a >> small group of selves impose an agenda on the whole "self" of the >> community. The smaller group of selves have temporarily attempted to place >> themselves outside of the whole system of which they are always a part. >> >> >> >> When we use open space technology, we restore the wholeness of the system >> by allowing each self to act both separately and together in the >> world-process. There's a harmony because both beholder and beholded come >> closer together and even show themselves as the same thing. The circle >> represents its well. It feels like a remembering (Re-membering - we put the >> "whole body" back on again). >> >> >> >> What's beautiful about open space is when each of our separate selves >> gets up and temporarily acts as if it is separate from the world-self. "i >> want to lead a session on" or "I use my my two feet" or "I become a >> butterfly. Not the world temporary. Control is often benevolent when it is >> transient asnd temporary. >> >> >> >> In Open Space, these passing acts of separate self ('lovely selfishness' >> I call it) are very close to the experience of whole self-organisation - >> because the circle is strong - self and Self are very close together in a >> kind of playful dance. >> >> >> >> Also self and Self are close together in Time. We are creating the agenda >> as selves and as a collective SELF in an improvisational way. Improvisation >> is the way the universe breathes and moves. >> >> >> >> In a traditional conference, those little acts of each self (cooking up >> the agenda way in advance) becomes separated in time from the agenda that >> is experienced together (as a together-self). We act as if our little >> selves are separate from the whole. We try to act UPON the system from >> outside instead of IN the system. Here organisation becomes something in >> which selves role play being separate. There is no circle. The universe if >> "over there." At best we hold the whole circle or community in imagination. >> >> >> >> The day of the conference arrives. If there is energy, self-organisation >> manifests anyway and the conversations happen in the coffee breaks. Even in >> open space events, where we create the agenda on the day, the conversations >> happen in the coffee breaks. we even create our own extra or different >> coffee breaks outside the formal timings, using our two feet. >> >> >> >> Oh no. I beg to differ. Self-organisation doesn't happen all by itself. >> Self-organisation happens out of itself. And itself is a beautiful thing. >> Self-organisation is a process of ORGANISATION. In the human realm it >> happens as an act of synchronous improvisation. We organise and we control >> but we just do it closer to the moment and out of an experience of the >> whole. Temporary, separate "selfishness" becomes synonymous with play. >> Individuality and Community weave a lemiscate pattern. >> >> >> >> Each individual self acts both separately and collectively all of the >> time. >> >> >> >> The universe was made so that human beings could self-organise it. >> >> >> >> (Dives for cover) >> >> >> >> Paul Levy >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> On 24 June 2015 at 18:46, Harrison via OSList < >> [email protected]> wrote: >> >> Come this 4th of July it will be 30 years since something called Open >> Space Technology happened. At the time, we (that would be me, for sure) >> didn’t have a clue what it was or where it was headed. Since then it seems >> like a lot of good stuff has come down. Of course we need to remember the >> learnings from the ‘60’s – “Never trust anyone over 30.” Well... we just >> got there! Everybody should be well advised that what happens next is >> TOTALLY their responsibility... Or something. >> >> >> >> What happens next is definitely your responsibility. Having entered into >> my 80th year, I am well past the age of discretion. But I do have a few >> thoughts that may, or may not, be germane. >> >> >> >> I don’t think this is the end of something. I do believe it is the >> beginning. And... There will always be a time when “the first timers” (as >> participants or facilitators) gets the WOW Experience (Thank you Tom >> Peters). Kind of like the first ride on your bicycle. Millions of people >> have done it before you. But your First Ride is always unique (for you). >> >> >> >> There will always be times when bits and pieces of our common experience >> in Open Space are held out as “singularities” – something strange and >> unique. The latest version is called, “Liberating Structures (Thank you >> Henri!).” Wonderful Idea, I think, but just a very small part of the whole. >> >> >> >> And for all those wonderful people who are attempting to wed Open Space >> to Agile (Dan et al you know who I am talking about) – I say Three Cheers! >> And I also hope that the day will come when it is recognized that truly >> Agile organization are fully, consciously, intentionally – self organizing. >> At that point, you don’t have to wed anything to anything. Just be what you >> already are. Which is another way of saying that SCRUM (along with all the >> other “techniques”) sound nice, but are yet one more example of “working >> too hard.” >> >> >> >> And What Next? Truly, I am out of crystal balls. But I rather think the >> beginning will begin when we call “Full Stop” on any attempt to organize >> anything. And in that momentary space (Open Space?) just notice what is >> organizing all by itself. Amazing! And we didn’t do a thing. Which leads >> naturally to the next question... How do we take advantage of the winds of >> our existence to bring our ships to harbors of fullness and greatness? >> >> >> >> And then we may take a lesson from Sailors and the Sea. Sailors do not >> create the wind or the Sea. Although many have tried. All have failed. But >> they have learned to ride the winds and the seas to their advantage. We >> have the same opportunity. >> >> >> >> On this 30th Birthday, and as I approach my 80th – Good Luck and Carry >> On! >> >> >> >> Harrison >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Winter Address >> >> 7808 River Falls Drive >> >> Potomac, MD 20854 >> >> 301-365-2093 >> >> >> >> Summer Address >> >> 189 Beaucaire Ave. >> >> Camden, ME 04843 >> >> 207-763-3261 >> >> >> >> Websites >> >> www.openspaceworld.com <http://%20www.openspaceworld.com> >> >> www.ho-image.com >> >> OSLIST To subscribe, unsubscribe, change your options, view the archives >> of OSLIST Go to: >> http://lists.openspacetech.org/listinfo.cgi/oslist-openspacetech.org >> >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> OSList mailing list >> To post send emails to [email protected] >> To unsubscribe send an email to [email protected] >> To subscribe or manage your subscription click below: >> http://lists.openspacetech.org/listinfo.cgi/oslist-openspacetech.org >> Past archives can be viewed here: >> http://www.mail-archive.com/[email protected] >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> OSList mailing list >> To post send emails to [email protected] >> To unsubscribe send an email to [email protected] >> To subscribe or manage your subscription click below: >> http://lists.openspacetech.org/listinfo.cgi/oslist-openspacetech.org >> Past archives can be viewed here: >> http://www.mail-archive.com/[email protected] >> > > > _______________________________________________ > OSList mailing list > To post send emails to [email protected] > To unsubscribe send an email to [email protected] > To subscribe or manage your subscription click below: > http://lists.openspacetech.org/listinfo.cgi/oslist-openspacetech.org > Past archives can be viewed here: > http://www.mail-archive.com/[email protected] >
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