Dear Harrison,
Thank you for sharing your story of the psychiatrist you worked wit Michael P. 
I love the idea of the balloons tied to chairs. And I am grateful for the 
reminder to keep things simple and self-organised.

Warm regards,
Ian

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> Anne
> I was asked to evaluate a major campaign costing in excess of AU $100 million 
> dollars and I was allocated 3 hour opportunities to meet with groups.  I did 
> it my way, Open Space, and the sponsor was very pleased.  The results were 
> used to transform the business with some of the recommendations still being 
> worked through 13 years later.  Do what you believe will generate the best 
> outcomes, the participants mostly do not have any idea of process they just 
> respond to invitations.  Open Space provides a wealth  of opportunities for 
> effective engagement on many levels.  The length of time is not the issue it 
> is how we use it!
> 
> Regards
> Rob
> 
>> On 2 Oct 2016, at 12:21 AM, Anne-B?atrice Duparc via OSList 
>> <[email protected]> wrote:
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>> Hi everyone,
>> 
>> I was asked to facilitate an annual meeting (3 hours) which purpose is the 
>> evaluation of a series of events taking place every years. The evaluation 
>> concerns the organization of the events and the events itself, in order to 
>> know what went well, what did not and have some hints for the following 
>> season. The events are festival districts sponsored by the city but mainly 
>> organized by volunteers with some fundings of the city. They take place all 
>> around the city, with second hand good sales, music, cultural events, food. 
>> They are very popular but were downsized this year due to a diminished 
>> budget allocation. 
>> 
>> I wonder if any of you has ever used OST for the purpose of making such 
>> evaluations. I really would love to use OST in this context, but I am not 
>> sure if it would bring the desired outcomes. Moreover an evening is a really 
>> short amount of time for an OST...  
>> 
>> Thanks for any hints,
>> 
>> Anne-B?atrice Duparc
>> 00 41 76 378 69 98
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> Dear Lisa,
> Thank you so much for this comprehensive roadmap through the challenges.   
> Clearly, my main concern is the mechanics of agenda setting and harvesting 
> with so many people, while keeping them safe. And of doing that within the 
> time and logistics constraints of the venue. I am relieved to learn that it 
> is not outlandish to think in terms of these numbers but possibly now more 
> worried about what it would take to hold it all together. I am still 
> hesitating on format  - OS or caf? - and I see now I will have to decide not 
> only based on process needs but also on rearrangement capacity of the hotel 
> crew.
> I also realise acoustics is a major issue. Usually I try to keep groups 5-10 
> yards apart but there may not be enough space for that. 
> I will be sure to keep everyone posted as to how it lands. :-)
> Warm regards,
> Ian
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On 1 Oct 2016, at 21:54, Lisa Heft - <[email protected]> wrote:
>> 
>> Dear Ian - 
>> 
>> My own learnings, using Open Space with groups of 1,000, 2,000, 3,000 and 
>> 3,500 people:
>> 
>> The process is the same. The sense of discovery and (surprisingly) intimacy 
>> in each conversation circle is the same.
>> Only the space planning is different, but only slightly.
>> 
>> Imagine the huge room - perhaps it is a convention center or an exhibit hall.
>> 
>> To me, it is a safety and a time issue, the way I set up the room at the 
>> start. Too dangerous / difficult / huge to make an actual circle (or 
>> concentric rings) for an Opening Circle. So instead, I invite participants 
>> to come in and sit anywhere to start, and they are sitting in pre-set 
>> circles-of-chairs all across the room. And then everything I do is 
>> -implying- a circle, still - because that is what so many of us have learned 
>> in our sharing about rooms and set-ups. Always, circle.
>> 
>> Therefore, just like for a small room, I divide the expected number of 
>> participants by (an example) 12 (circles of 12 chairs - I make smaller 
>> circles for smaller groups but find that more than 12 chairs makes it hard 
>> to hear in a group / in a room where everyone is talking at once.)
>> 
>> I see if that number of circles (plus a few more) can fit into this 
>> super-large room. With more space in between the discussion circles than 
>> (example) a banquet table seating. Because banquet spacing is too close 
>> together with everyone talking at once. Nobody would be able to hear.
>> 
>> As sound and focus (microphone) is difficult in a huge room, I ask for a 
>> (example) 6x6 foot / 2x2 meter (does not have to be exact) platform just a 
>> few steps up, to raise the facilitator a bit higher. I also dress in a 
>> bright color (different than my usual black which is for less focus) so I 
>> can be seen.
>> 
>> I align the circles in straight rows. This is essential to me: It is both 
>> for safety and for navigation. I put up ?arena? signs. Like ?A - K? and ?L - 
>> P? and so on - on the wall, at the end of each row. So a participant can 
>> navigate easily without a map, just like in a sports stadium.
>> 
>> I put a letter and materials (a stack of participant sign in sheets, a stack 
>> of white paper, several pens, a stack of notes-taker form cover sheets) in 
>> the center / on the floor of each discussion circle.
>> 
>> For topic signs - as participants cannot reach too high up, even those with 
>> full mobility, and as there are a lot of people for participants to see over 
>> when they look at the agenda wall - I imagine a) a bit larger is useful for 
>> sight, and b) people can only place let us say two topic signs tall on the 
>> wall. So while I often use A4/letter-sized paper for topic signs, in this 
>> case I use larger (in the US it is 11 inches by 17 inches) paper (I think 
>> for you it might be A3?). I also have them printed with ?Topic? and 
>> ?Convenor? - which I do not usually do. However in a super-large event I 
>> find it is so useful for documentation purposes to ensure people posting 
>> topics are reminded to add their names. Because this is a super-huge crowd, 
>> I might have more than the usual six feet (2-or-so meters) of furniture-free 
>> space all along the Agenda Wall. Because it is a super-huge crowd, maybe the 
>> Agenda Wall covers one, two, three or even four of the walls. 
>> 
>> I still use posters for the guidelines (I find that something like 
>> PowerPoint is gone from peoples? minds the minute the next image happens) - 
>> I just place more of them - like a set spread across each wall. 
>> 
>> If you were a butterfly on the ceiling of my room, you would look down and 
>> see a platform in the center. And though you would see the rows of separated 
>> discussion circles-of-chairs all nicely aligned - with some space in between 
>> each circle in those rows - you would also see a larger aisle in sort of a 
>> cross (+) formation. I am in the center on my platform. If I hold out one 
>> arm towards the Agenda Wall, that is a larger aisle. If I then hold my arm 
>> out to show the other three elements of that cross shape, those are the 
>> other larger aisles. 
>> 
>> In the three aisles that are -not- pointing toward the Agenda Wall, I place 
>> several long rectangle tables together to form a long long sign-making 
>> station in each aisle. Because this is not a circle / because it?s a way for 
>> people to ?come to the center? and make their topic sign. 
>> 
>> So when I have explained the process and then invite people to come up to 
>> create their topic signs, participants come to the nearest sign-making 
>> table, where there are already blank topic signs and assorted markers spread 
>> out across those stations. There is a microphone on a stand at the end of 
>> each station. I usually put a post-it on each sign with the time and 
>> discussion area on it - pre-affix those, in a super-large event. And mix / 
>> sort them out across each station. Helps things flow a bit faster, though I 
>> would not do that in a smaller event. 
>> 
>> I invite the first participant ready to then come up to their microphone, 
>> name their topic, and go post it on the Agenda Wall. (The Agenda Wall can 
>> have a huge arena-style ?10:00-11:00? etcetera in each location). I have a 
>> few helpers just stand at the wall with a marker in hand in case they see 
>> someone has forgotten to put their name on their topic sign.
>> 
>> I continue ?in a circle? by indicating the next, next and next convenor to 
>> name their topic at the mic. I turn / pivot in a circle, continuing this 
>> circle feeling. 
>> 
>> Then we?re off and running (strolling, ambling, wheeling) through the day, 
>> as usual. Participants go up to the Agenda Wall (because the signs are 
>> bigger and not too many tall, they tend to spread out and also can see 
>> better over each other) and then look over at the arena signs and then go 
>> where they need to go. 
>> 
>> If I have helpers (very useful) they simply take (example) a quadrant of the 
>> room to keep neat and safe across the day. 
>> 
>> Documentation design always (to me) depends on how the relationships and 
>> ideas generated will be used post-event, how long is the event, what is the 
>> capacity for your team to collect and transcribe post-event - whatever is 
>> the full picture of what, why, for whom, within what time - which then 
>> informs the ?how? of documentation - and therefore its physical collection 
>> process (as in ?leave your documentation originals in these boxes? or ?bring 
>> your documentation to the Newsroom to transcribe it? or whatever.  Just as 
>> it would be in a small OS event. 
>> 
>> Closing Circle is me / the facilitator welcoming people back (wherever they 
>> are sitting, in the discussion areas across the room, that is fine - and 
>> inviting a sampling of individuals to walk up to the microphones (which are 
>> still on a stand at the end of each sign-making station) to share 
>> reflections, and (again) I welcome each next speaker as I pivot / turn in a 
>> circle. 
>> 
>> If the event is across the day, one thing the sign-making stations are 
>> useful for is that they can turn into box-lunch stations mid-day. If lunch 
>> is included I perhaps have the large event space create a few more food 
>> stations in the corners of the room along which traffic can flow on both 
>> sides of those tables, as well. Whatever the site team recommends for most 
>> efficient traffic, food distribution and trash / recycling processes. 
>> 
>> I have had clients who have tried the addition of technology such as posting 
>> agendas on various screens and such - but participants still seem to look at 
>> a physical agenda wall, look at arena signs, and go where they need to go. 
>> 
>> I have tried making 15 minutes in between each session for movement across 
>> the room but I have seen participants simply stay longer or whatever - just 
>> like in a smaller event - they stay or go. So I continue to do back-to-back 
>> session times.
>> 
>> And just as for any other OS event, all of this depends on what else happens 
>> before and after this section. That is if this is not the entire process of 
>> an entire event. Because for example it takes hours and hours for a site 
>> staff to set up a room. Is this room free for set-up before the OS? Free for 
>> hours after if there is another part of the overall event that must have a 
>> furniture re-set afterwards? And so on. 
>> 
>> Everything in context. Everything interrelated. 
>> 
>> And I am sure my colleagues have had other and different experiences, which 
>> I look forward to hearing about?
>> 
>> Looking forward also to hearing the story of how it all goes for you, Ian,
>> Lisa
>> 
>> Lisa Heft
>> Consultant, Facilitator, Educator
>> Opening Space
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>> On Oct 1, 2016, at 5:53 AM, Ian Andersen via OSList 
>>> <[email protected]> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Dear friends,
>>> 
>>> I am in talks about hosting an OS for 1200+ pax. I have read Sharon Berlin 
>>> Chao's report on 1000 under 4 hours. I was wondering if anyone else has 
>>> tips or caveats to share? I am grateful for any help I can get! :-)
>>> 
>>> Warm regards,
>>> Ian Andersen
>>> Brussels
>>> 
>>> 
>> 
> 
> 
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> Message: 3
> Date: Sun, 02 Oct 2016 09:49:19 -0400
> From: Harrison Owen via OSList <[email protected]>
> To: "'Ian Andersen'" <[email protected]>,    "'World wide Open
>    Space Technology email list'"    <[email protected]>
> Subject: Re: [OSList] OS for 1200+
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> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1
> 
> Sounds like Lisa has it pretty well covered... but as usual I suspect she
> may be working a little too hard. For example "group areas." You could do as
> she suggests, but that presupposes, it seems to me, that you can prejudge
> the actual group size/volatility/sound level/etc. I've never been very good
> at that. In fact, I've always been wrong -- and there have never been any
> problems that the people couldn't take care of in creative and effective
> ways. So stealing an idea that Michael Pannwitz and crew used when we took
> on 2108 German Psychiatrists: A circus tent and numbered balloons. A large
> ball room will certainly do.
> 
> I don't remember all the details, and hopefully Michael will
> supply/correct... 
> 
> We figured there might be 150 issues/groups. Turned out we were off (under)
> by a huge factor, but that is a later story. Anyhow, we blew up (helium) 150
> balloons and numbered them 1-150. While the folks were "at the Wall"
> deciding their personal course of action, we distributed the balloons all
> over the area, and placed two chairs by each. Each issue had a number, and
> when the folks were ready they just found their balloon and went there. If
> the group consisted of two people, they simply sat down. If the group was
> massive, they claimed additional space and went to work. If too noisy, they
> moved (practical application of the Law of two feet). No set up problems, no
> separation issues... The people, as usual took responsibility for what they
> cared for. And as usual, it worked perfectly. Almost time for a nap! (smile)
> 
> Harrison
> 
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: OSList [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of
> Ian Andersen via OSList
> Sent: Sunday, October 2, 2016 5:56 AM
> To: Lisa Heft -
> Cc: OSLIST
> Subject: Re: [OSList] OS for 1200+
> 
> Dear Lisa,
> Thank you so much for this comprehensive roadmap through the challenges.
> Clearly, my main concern is the mechanics of agenda setting and harvesting
> with so many people, while keeping them safe. And of doing that within the
> time and logistics constraints of the venue. I am relieved to learn that it
> is not outlandish to think in terms of these numbers but possibly now more
> worried about what it would take to hold it all together. I am still
> hesitating on format  - OS or caf? - and I see now I will have to decide not
> only based on process needs but also on rearrangement capacity of the hotel
> crew.
> I also realise acoustics is a major issue. Usually I try to keep groups 5-10
> yards apart but there may not be enough space for that. 
> I will be sure to keep everyone posted as to how it lands. :-) Warm regards,
> Ian
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On 1 Oct 2016, at 21:54, Lisa Heft - <[email protected]> wrote:
>> 
>> Dear Ian -
>> 
>> My own learnings, using Open Space with groups of 1,000, 2,000, 3,000 and
> 3,500 people:
>> 
>> The process is the same. The sense of discovery and (surprisingly)
> intimacy in each conversation circle is the same.
>> Only the space planning is different, but only slightly.
>> 
>> Imagine the huge room - perhaps it is a convention center or an exhibit
> hall.
>> 
>> To me, it is a safety and a time issue, the way I set up the room at the
> start. Too dangerous / difficult / huge to make an actual circle (or
> concentric rings) for an Opening Circle. So instead, I invite participants
> to come in and sit anywhere to start, and they are sitting in pre-set
> circles-of-chairs all across the room. And then everything I do is
> -implying- a circle, still - because that is what so many of us have learned
> in our sharing about rooms and set-ups. Always, circle.
>> 
>> Therefore, just like for a small room, I divide the expected number of 
>> participants by (an example) 12 (circles of 12 chairs - I make smaller 
>> circles for smaller groups but find that more than 12 chairs makes it 
>> hard to hear in a group / in a room where everyone is talking at 
>> once.)
>> 
>> I see if that number of circles (plus a few more) can fit into this
> super-large room. With more space in between the discussion circles than
> (example) a banquet table seating. Because banquet spacing is too close
> together with everyone talking at once. Nobody would be able to hear.
>> 
>> As sound and focus (microphone) is difficult in a huge room, I ask for a
> (example) 6x6 foot / 2x2 meter (does not have to be exact) platform just a
> few steps up, to raise the facilitator a bit higher. I also dress in a
> bright color (different than my usual black which is for less focus) so I
> can be seen.
>> 
>> I align the circles in straight rows. This is essential to me: It is both
> for safety and for navigation. I put up ?arena? signs. Like ?A - K? and ?L -
> P? and so on - on the wall, at the end of each row. So a participant can
> navigate easily without a map, just like in a sports stadium.
>> 
>> I put a letter and materials (a stack of participant sign in sheets, a
> stack of white paper, several pens, a stack of notes-taker form cover
> sheets) in the center / on the floor of each discussion circle.
>> 
>> For topic signs - as participants cannot reach too high up, even those
> with full mobility, and as there are a lot of people for participants to see
> over when they look at the agenda wall - I imagine a) a bit larger is useful
> for sight, and b) people can only place let us say two topic signs tall on
> the wall. So while I often use A4/letter-sized paper for topic signs, in
> this case I use larger (in the US it is 11 inches by 17 inches) paper (I
> think for you it might be A3?). I also have them printed with ?Topic? and
> ?Convenor? - which I do not usually do. However in a super-large event I
> find it is so useful for documentation purposes to ensure people posting
> topics are reminded to add their names. Because this is a super-huge crowd,
> I might have more than the usual six feet (2-or-so meters) of furniture-free
> space all along the Agenda Wall. Because it is a super-huge crowd, maybe the
> Agenda Wall covers one, two, three or even four of the walls. 
>> 
>> I still use posters for the guidelines (I find that something like
> PowerPoint is gone from peoples? minds the minute the next image happens) -
> I just place more of them - like a set spread across each wall. 
>> 
>> If you were a butterfly on the ceiling of my room, you would look down and
> see a platform in the center. And though you would see the rows of separated
> discussion circles-of-chairs all nicely aligned - with some space in between
> each circle in those rows - you would also see a larger aisle in sort of a
> cross (+) formation. I am in the center on my platform. If I hold out one
> arm towards the Agenda Wall, that is a larger aisle. If I then hold my arm
> out to show the other three elements of that cross shape, those are the
> other larger aisles. 
>> 
>> In the three aisles that are -not- pointing toward the Agenda Wall, I
> place several long rectangle tables together to form a long long sign-making
> station in each aisle. Because this is not a circle / because it?s a way for
> people to ?come to the center? and make their topic sign. 
>> 
>> So when I have explained the process and then invite people to come up to
> create their topic signs, participants come to the nearest sign-making
> table, where there are already blank topic signs and assorted markers spread
> out across those stations. There is a microphone on a stand at the end of
> each station. I usually put a post-it on each sign with the time and
> discussion area on it - pre-affix those, in a super-large event. And mix /
> sort them out across each station. Helps things flow a bit faster, though I
> would not do that in a smaller event. 
>> 
>> I invite the first participant ready to then come up to their microphone,
> name their topic, and go post it on the Agenda Wall. (The Agenda Wall can
> have a huge arena-style ?10:00-11:00? etcetera in each location). I have a
> few helpers just stand at the wall with a marker in hand in case they see
> someone has forgotten to put their name on their topic sign.
>> 
>> I continue ?in a circle? by indicating the next, next and next convenor to
> name their topic at the mic. I turn / pivot in a circle, continuing this
> circle feeling. 
>> 
>> Then we?re off and running (strolling, ambling, wheeling) through the day,
> as usual. Participants go up to the Agenda Wall (because the signs are
> bigger and not too many tall, they tend to spread out and also can see
> better over each other) and then look over at the arena signs and then go
> where they need to go. 
>> 
>> If I have helpers (very useful) they simply take (example) a quadrant of
> the room to keep neat and safe across the day. 
>> 
>> Documentation design always (to me) depends on how the relationships and
> ideas generated will be used post-event, how long is the event, what is the
> capacity for your team to collect and transcribe post-event - whatever is
> the full picture of what, why, for whom, within what time - which then
> informs the ?how? of documentation - and therefore its physical collection
> process (as in ?leave your documentation originals in these boxes? or ?bring
> your documentation to the Newsroom to transcribe it? or whatever.  Just as
> it would be in a small OS event. 
>> 
>> Closing Circle is me / the facilitator welcoming people back (wherever
> they are sitting, in the discussion areas across the room, that is fine -
> and inviting a sampling of individuals to walk up to the microphones (which
> are still on a stand at the end of each sign-making station) to share
> reflections, and (again) I welcome each next speaker as I pivot / turn in a
> circle. 
>> 
>> If the event is across the day, one thing the sign-making stations are
> useful for is that they can turn into box-lunch stations mid-day. If lunch
> is included I perhaps have the large event space create a few more food
> stations in the corners of the room along which traffic can flow on both
> sides of those tables, as well. Whatever the site team recommends for most
> efficient traffic, food distribution and trash / recycling processes. 
>> 
>> I have had clients who have tried the addition of technology such as
> posting agendas on various screens and such - but participants still seem to
> look at a physical agenda wall, look at arena signs, and go where they need
> to go. 
>> 
>> I have tried making 15 minutes in between each session for movement across
> the room but I have seen participants simply stay longer or whatever - just
> like in a smaller event - they stay or go. So I continue to do back-to-back
> session times.
>> 
>> And just as for any other OS event, all of this depends on what else
> happens before and after this section. That is if this is not the entire
> process of an entire event. Because for example it takes hours and hours for
> a site staff to set up a room. Is this room free for set-up before the OS?
> Free for hours after if there is another part of the overall event that must
> have a furniture re-set afterwards? And so on. 
>> 
>> Everything in context. Everything interrelated. 
>> 
>> And I am sure my colleagues have had other and different experiences, 
>> which I look forward to hearing about?
>> 
>> Looking forward also to hearing the story of how it all goes for you, 
>> Ian, Lisa
>> 
>> Lisa Heft
>> Consultant, Facilitator, Educator
>> Opening Space
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>> On Oct 1, 2016, at 5:53 AM, Ian Andersen via OSList
> <[email protected]> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Dear friends,
>>> 
>>> I am in talks about hosting an OS for 1200+ pax. I have read Sharon 
>>> Berlin Chao's report on 1000 under 4 hours. I was wondering if anyone 
>>> else has tips or caveats to share? I am grateful for any help I can 
>>> get! :-)
>>> 
>>> Warm regards,
>>> Ian Andersen
>>> Brussels
>>> 
>>> 
>> 
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