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*Inviter - Facilitator/Practicer of Open Space Technology* Opening & Holding safe space for people and organizations to self-organize around important issues and opportunities. *Invite - Listen - Love* *Pareto Realty is a residential real estate sales firm that supports member agents in building and growing consistently productive niche businesses as they enjoy the healthy life rhythm they want and deserve.* On Tue, Jan 30, 2018 at 8:20 PM, Jeff Aitken via OSList < oslist@lists.openspacetech.org> wrote: > A favorite quote from Chris C when researching my dissertation was his > description of regular folks being like 'Taoist masters' working with > conflict in open space. > > They engage awhile, things heat up, they may cool off by going to the > coffee table awhile and talking hockey (in Canada), then back into the > fray. Fun and potent image of the Law in interaction. > > Jeff > San Francisco > > On Jan 30, 2018 4:46 PM, "Michael Herman via OSList" < > oslist@lists.openspacetech.org> wrote: > >> I think I disagree with Dave on this. I only know his position from >> what's been reported here, but I have met and listened to him speak. He >> strikes me as quite a bit better than most at carving boundaries for >> himself and that, I think, might color his experience of the encouragements >> OS does give to resolve rather than avoid conflict. >> >> We've noticed many times before that OS implies a higher level of >> exposure for people than other ways of working. We've also noticed the deep >> connections between groups, i.e. "They're all talking about the same >> stuff," (in all the different breakouts). And when we go around the circle, >> everyone hears and speaks to everyone. there's a high level of authenticity >> that invites people to join and match. >> >> In other words, where there are real conflicts, I think OS makes it >> pretty hard to hide from them, even as it gives lots of room and options >> for navigating them. If the purpose doesn't require they be settled, then >> the work can proceed. If it does require resolution, the exposure and >> connection and purpose will push for that. >> >> >> >> >> >> On Tue, Jan 30, 2018 at 18:14 Harold Shinsato via OSList < >> oslist@lists.openspacetech.org> wrote: >> >>> Hi Chris, >>> >>> Thanks for giving more detail about Snowden's thinking. I didn't want to >>> mention his name without a fuller context as you have provided. I also >>> disagree with his assessment of OST as a convergence tool. I've not seen >>> happiness come from trying to squeeze convergence out of an OST event. >>> >>> I can't critique Snowden's disagreement with OST as an all purpose >>> 'tool', though for me I have found great value in Harrison's wisdom about >>> Open Space as not being a tool. I see Open Space as something I feel I >>> experience in most Open Space Technology events, but they're not really the >>> same thing. Given that distinction, "Open some space" does seem a valid all >>> purpose approach. Even if that doesn't necessarily look like a formal Open >>> Space Technology event. >>> >>> >>> Harold >>> >>> >>> On 1/30/18 4:44 PM, Chris Corrigan wrote: >>> >>> The well known management guru is David Snowden and his principle >>> criticism against OST is the same as it is for every other method. It is >>> not a panacea for every problem. >>> >>> More specifically, Dave’s issue as I understand it, is that groups >>> operate within constraints. There are times when those constraints need to >>> be tightly bound in order for things to happen and other times when they >>> need to be relaxed. >>> >>> In situations in which you are developing new things conflict and >>> diversity are helpful. Sometimes it helps to have a process in which people >>> of differing perspectives are engaged in a tight container together to make >>> something better. Open Space does not always do this, so if you need a >>> required level of diversity (and conflict doesn’t always mean a fight) then >>> OST might not be the best way to do it. >>> >>> I agree with this. Sometimes you need a formal negotiation structure to >>> reach a decision. Sometimes you need expert opinions engaged in a >>> deliberated and structured and way to do due diligence. >>> >>> Dave has other concerns with Open Space that I think he’s wrong about >>> (that it is a convergence process for example) and I’ve talked with him >>> extensively about that. But anyone who think that Dave believes Open Space >>> doesn’t have utility is also wrong. He believes that it’s useful for >>> certain things in certain contexts and not in others. On that we all agree, >>> I would think. >>> >>> Chris. >>> >>> _____________ >>> CHRIS CORRIGAN >>> www.chriscorrigan.com >>> >>> On Jan 30, 2018, at 2:24 PM, Harold Shinsato via OSList < >>> oslist@lists.openspacetech.org> wrote: >>> >>> Daniel, >>> >>> Interesting concern. I think I remember hearing this from a well >>> respected management guru as a critique of Open Space. I can't help but >>> wonder the following: >>> >>> - How well do individual adults resolve conflicts when an authority >>> figure forces them? >>> - How well do conflicting peoples or tribal communities resolve >>> conflicts when they are forcibly held together by an imperial force (think >>> Rome, USSR, pre-partition India, etc etc etc) >>> >>> If you are dealing with children or developmentally challenged >>> individuals - especially those who have violated others rights are are in >>> prison - I can imagine there being some value to some level of compulsion >>> or coercion here. But even there, it may temporarily resolve the fighting >>> and damage, but not the children's growth. >>> >>> If you are dealing with severe human rights being violated in tribal >>> scenarios, I can see how that might justify gunboat diplomacy. But I can't >>> imagine the tribal system will evolve to respect human rights without a >>> huge additional investment from the gunboat diplomats. And it is all too >>> likely that such interference may not only cause even bigger problems later >>> on, but can also encourage exploitation of the less developed >>> tribe/community. >>> >>> Thanks for asking this question! >>> >>> Harold >>> >>> >>> On 1/30/18 2:07 PM, Daniel Mezick via OSList wrote: >>> >>> I am hearing this pointed criticism from some quarters: That OST >>> actually encourages conflict-avoidance via the Law of 2 Feet. In other >>> words, people who need to be resolving conflict (or at least discussing it) >>> can just avoid the touchy topic... and each other. >>> >>> Could this actually be true? If not why not? >>> >>> -- >>> Daniel Mezick >>> Culture Strategist. Author. Keynoter. >>> (203) 915 7248 <(203)%20915-7248>. Bio. <http://www.DanielMezick.com/> >>> Blog. <http://www.NewTechUSA.net/blog/> Twitter. >>> <https://twitter.com/DanielMezick> >>> Book: The Culture Game. <http://theculturegame.com/> >>> Book: The OpenSpace Agility Handbook. >>> <http://www.amazon.com/OpenSpace-Agility-Handbook-Daniel-Mezick/dp/0984875336> >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> OSList mailing list >>> To post send emails to OSList@lists.openspacetech.org >>> To unsubscribe send an email to oslist-le...@lists.openspacetech.org >>> To subscribe or manage your subscription click >>> below:http://lists.openspacetech.org/listinfo.cgi/oslist-openspacetech.org >>> Past archives can be viewed here: >>> http://www.mail-archive.com/oslist@lists.openspacetech.org >>> >>> >>> -- >>> Harold Shinsato >>> har...@shinsato.com >>> http://shinsato.com >>> twitter: @hajush <http://twitter.com/hajush> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> OSList mailing list >>> To post send emails to OSList@lists.openspacetech.org >>> To unsubscribe send an email to oslist-le...@lists.openspacetech.org >>> To subscribe or manage your subscription click below: >>> http://lists.openspacetech.org/listinfo.cgi/oslist-openspacetech.org >>> Past archives can be viewed here: http://www.mail-archive.com/os >>> l...@lists.openspacetech.org >>> >>> >>> -- >>> Harold Shinsato >>> har...@shinsato.com >>> http://shinsato.com >>> twitter: @hajush <http://twitter.com/hajush> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> OSList mailing list >>> To post send emails to OSList@lists.openspacetech.org >>> To unsubscribe send an email to oslist-le...@lists.openspacetech.org >>> To subscribe or manage your subscription click below: >>> http://lists.openspacetech.org/listinfo.cgi/oslist-openspacetech.org >>> Past archives can be viewed here: http://www.mail-archive.com/os >>> l...@lists.openspacetech.org >> >> -- >> >> -- >> >> Michael Herman >> Michael Herman Associates >> 312-280-7838 <(312)%20280-7838> (mobile) >> >> http://MichaelHerman.com >> http://OpenSpaceWorld.org >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> OSList mailing list >> To post send emails to OSList@lists.openspacetech.org >> To unsubscribe send an email to oslist-le...@lists.openspacetech.org >> To subscribe or manage your subscription click below: >> http://lists.openspacetech.org/listinfo.cgi/oslist-openspacetech.org >> Past archives can be viewed here: http://www.mail-archive.com/os >> l...@lists.openspacetech.org >> > > _______________________________________________ > OSList mailing list > To post send emails to OSList@lists.openspacetech.org > To unsubscribe send an email to oslist-le...@lists.openspacetech.org > To subscribe or manage your subscription click below: > http://lists.openspacetech.org/listinfo.cgi/oslist-openspacetech.org > Past archives can be viewed here: http://www.mail-archive.com/ > oslist@lists.openspacetech.org >
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