Thank you Harrison. I see these two circus tents in my imagination. And I smile :-)
Michael - could you share some photos from that event with us? And will you find some time for a Skype or a phone call next days? I would love to hear your stories and listen about your experience, thoughts and hints. Have a great weekend all of you, Open Space Tribe :-) śr., 26 cze 2019 o 22:32 <[email protected]> napisał(a): > Send OSList mailing list submissions to > [email protected] > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > > http://lists.openspacetech.org/listinfo.cgi/oslist-openspacetech.org > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > [email protected] > > You can reach the person managing the list at > [email protected] > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > than "Re: Contents of OSList digest..." > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Re: Orgs that Failed to Implement Self-Organization? > (Michael M Pannwitz) > 2. OST meeting for ca. 500 people (Wojciech Zawisz) > 3. Re: OST meeting for ca. 500 people (gerardo de luzenberger) > 4. Re: OST meeting for ca. 500 people (Harrison Owen) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Wed, 26 Jun 2019 11:48:15 +0200 > From: Michael M Pannwitz <[email protected]> > To: David Osborne <[email protected]>, OSLIST > <[email protected]> > Subject: Re: [OSList] Orgs that Failed to Implement Self-Organization? > Message-ID: <[email protected]> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed > > Dear David, > > you are touching basic issues, which I enjoy. > Getting to basic issues fuels a wider dialog. > > Yes, self-organizing has been around since the Big Bang, in everything. > > And it shows up regurlary and predictably in OST gatherings. Regardless > of the conditions that are characteristic of any such gathering. And it > shows up more or less impressively or noticeably in all kinds of > situations that are in no way OST events: Tahir Place, Playground, New > York City, Fridays for Future, neighborhood events... and on and on. > > If there is a gathering and it is announced that it will have the form > of an OST event and that promise is not met, selforganizing will happen > nonetheless and sometimes with high action that can cause the event to > close. And while it is certain that there will be change (everything > changes all the time) there is no predicting what kind of change will > happen or that a particular change will emerge. > > If you go at this with the assumption that the influence of the "force > of selforganization" can be "seen" in the manifestation of what we > perceive as "selforganizing" in groups, organizations and systems... > such as a group of small children selforganizing their activities > without any apparent leadership (parents) or hired facilitators (us) > having productive fun... it might be worth taking a closer look at that > "force". > Taking a closer look aint easy because little is really known (in the > Scientific meaning of "know") about the "force of selforganization". I > suspect that has to do with the universal nature of the force. A > characteristic that is not satisfyingly "researchable" with our limited > abilities and skills. > > One way of looking at it which I find useful for the unfolding of > selforganization is paying attention to some of the prerequisites that > expand time and space for the "force" to thrive in. Mind you, its there, > it will unfold. However, it can be hampered... especially observeable in > groups, organizations and systems that we ourselves have thought up and > supplied with all sorts of "control" mechanisms. > > Harrison has described how he saw the prerequisites that some deep > thinkers discovered to be prerequisites for the emergence of "life" > considerable time after the Big Bang also apply for an OST event. His > quest into this realm was definitely influenced by the "force of > selforganisation" which, however, had no idea what this would lead to > (in the sense that we have "ideas"). > Ok, he described the "adapted" prerequisites that, when in place, would > have a positive influence on the chances for the "force" to get more > time and space for its play. > > In my practice of OST as facilitator, getting the clients ("hosts") to > check on the prerequisites led to either accepting the contract for an > OST event or to suggest that they needed something else or to offer ways > to them to have more of the prerquisites in place. This often resulted > in changing from "mandated participation" to "voluntary participation" > with the additional work of producing a real invitation, or expanded > "diversity of participants" (not only inviting teachers of the school > but everybody that has to do with the school or is effected by the > school such as neighbors or financed the school, parents, or works in > the school or offers experience in his business to students in the > school....). > > Other prerequisites that are often mentioned such as high level of > conflict, complex issue, open question no single person or group has an > answer to, decision time of yesterday... also need to be checked on by > the client/sponsor. > > As you have noticed, one of the challenges for a facilitator (struggling > with being totally present and entirely invisible) is meeting ones own > care and passion while working as a facilitator. > Care and passion, especially when joined by responsibility, powerfully > move wicked issues into action. Without these elements, little will > happen in the circle, market place, in the breakout sessions and the > ensuing action planning. But what actually happens among the > selforganizing participants is not the playground of facilitators. That > is best illustrated by the facilitator also disappearing bodily just > after the marketplace phase... taking a nap. This is a tough number for > many of us. But it is the acid test. Often not tolerated by sponsors (is > this what we are paying you for?) and participants (where is your > responsibility? Dont you see that this is a whole mess?). > > From this perspective, care, passion and responsibility seen that way > get into the way of the work of the facilitator... and the more freely > unfolding "Force of Selforganization". > > This I vaguely realized for the first time during an OT-Conference in > Higlands, North Carolina (conducted as an OS) when an Indin Shaman, > invited by HO, offered a session for us one evening to meet our > ancestors. He sat in the center drumming, all of us sitting on the floor > around him. After a while he said: "I love you all but I dont care for > you." He was very present and did abolutely nothing. After another long > stretch of time in which most of us had fallen asleep and gone into > wherever we all returned from shared our experiences from that unusual > realm. > > My take on caring (in the role of facilitator once the OST event has > been opened by the sponsor) is that the less you care the more time and > space will be available for the "force of selforganisation" to unfold. > I have many stories on this. One entered into a seemingly minor aspect > of the way I did a bit of "on the job training" for new members of the > os-team. At the point at which participants are invited to go to the > center and write their issue and name on a sheet of paper... two of the > the new team members were asked to stand at each end of the Bulletin > Board. Their task was to do nothing and just stand there. Even if > participants had not signed their issue, or the paper fell to the floor, > or was posted without a time/space post-it, or engaged in a chat with > other participants in front of the Bulletin Board while others were > still announcing their issues... all the new team members stuck to their > task. In debriefing, they reported on the initial torture (not being > allowed to follow their instinctiv care-urge) they experienced... and > also that they saw, as everyone else did, that after a short time the > participants themselves clicked into the selforganizing modus and > intervened among themselves. This modus predictably expands tremendously > during the further course, especially when it is the 16 hours, sleeping > twice, kind of 3 day event. > > I seriously doubt that it is possible to "influence the self-organizing > process"... or even do things that lead to "positive change" (what about > "negative change"?). Or, what is "positive" or "negative" change? > (I once experienced a facilitator in an OST event who commented on every > issue posted, suggested which issues were related and should be > clustered, which did not fit into the overall theme... I am sure he > cared and was passionate but was actually engaging himself in a realm > that was none of his business and actually had becomed a space-invador. > What would have happened if a participant became space invador, which is > not so rare? Would he notice, get into a fight, ...?). > > Come in the "prerequisites" that need to be checked and be in place for > the Force of Selforganization to fully play out in an OST event. > I rather call them prerequisites and not factors because they play a > role in the first contact and the ensuing contact meeting with the > sponsor... long before the event itself. And they are an important > orientation for the sponsor to decide whether OST (with the attached > prerequisites) is what is needed. > Sticking with the client/sponsor in checking the prerequisites relieves > me from "selling" OST (which many of us feel to be impossible anyhow but > keep trying)... the decision is all with the sponsor with the > "prerequisites" as a "tool" and my peace of mind knowing that with the > prerequisites in place the event will be ok, as always. > > I wonder about the experiences we have had among us consciously working > with this tool in the very early stages of the overall process leading > to an OST event. > > Greetings from Berlin > mmp > > > > > > Am 21.06.2019 um 15:32 schrieb David Osborne: > >> Michael, > >> > >> Your email triggered a few thoughts for me. > >> > >> My thoughts on self-organization are heavily influenced by lunches at > >> the Glen Echo Inn with Harrison.? From these lunches, I learned > >> several things that I have been practicing and working with for over a > >> decade now related to self-organization. The first of which is the > >> premise that you and others have shared here that self-organization is > >> happening all the time...it's all self-organizing. We don't have to > >> make it happen. What happens in Open Space though are that certain > >> conditions are set that enable change to emerge ......rather than > >> intractable, complex issues with diverse views staying stuck. > >> > >> One different view I've had with Harrison is that we don't have to do > >> anything at all ....we can just let it all happen. While this is true. > >> I've had a human problem, I care. Passion and caring is part of the > >> root energy that fuels both open space and self-organization. My > >> caring has led me to want to figure out how can we influence the > >> self-organizing process to lead to positive change the help whatever > >> the broader organism is, group, organization, country, society, etc. > >> > >> You raise the point about focusing on the"factors" that affect > >> self-organization. That is where I've invested my time and energy over > >> the past decade and what I've discovered is that while we cannot > >> control change or the self-organizing process we can influence the > >> speed and direction of change quite dramatically if we focus on and > >> adjust these factors.? It's very powerful and I believe the future of > >> change. > >> > >> best to all, > >> > >> David > >> > >> *David R. Osborne* > >> Organization and Leadership Development > > >> > >> On Fri, Jun 21, 2019 at 3:53 AM Michael M Pannwitz > >> <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: > >> > >> ??? Dear Jake and you others, > >> > >> ??? I am intriguing myself with your quest for pitfalls in regard to > >> ??? "implement self-organization". > >> ??? If it is assumed that "self-organization" is inherent in all groups, > >> ??? organisations, systems and in all processes on this planet and in > the > >> ??? universe and has been since the Big Bang, it would not be > >> necessary to > >> ??? "implement self-organization". > >> ??? In fact, attempting to "implement self-organization" could in > >> itself be > >> ??? the pitfall. This would jive with the notion that a sure fire way to > >> ??? impede self-organization is to mess with it (that is, control it). > >> > >> ??? Picking up on what Rob just wrote > >> ??? "By definition self organisation occurs despite any efforts to > >> make it > >> ??? happen." > >> ??? I suspect that > >> ??? "Self-organisation is hampered by efforts to make it happen." > >> > >> ??? I also wonder if it would be helpful to distinguish between > >> ??? "self-organization" as we observe it everywhere around us (such as > >> ??? children self-organizing their game on a playground or a butterfly > >> ??? unfolding from a chrysalis or a break-out group in an os-event > >> ??? self-organizing their activities) and the "force of > >> selforganization". > >> > >> ??? Assuming? that the force of selforganzation is behind > >> self-organization > >> ??? it might be useful to focus on the "factors" that would support an > >> ??? environment in which the force of selforganization can thrive, > >> unfold... > >> > >> ??? One of the stories we have is the development of OST itself. OST was > >> ??? dreamt up originally as a way to organize a conference in a few > hours > >> ??? instead of a whole years work (a wonderful gift that was borne out > of > >> ??? being bored with working hard). After it kept working in various > >> ??? settings with a vast minimum of pre-implemented structure, no > >> ??? panels, no > >> ??? speakers, only one facilitator... his originator began wondering > >> on why > >> ??? it was working. > >> > >> ??? We know the rest of the story and have payed attention to the 5 or > >> 6 or > >> ??? 7 prerequisites that now have been tested in thousands of events > >> which > >> ??? need to be in place for the "force of selforganisation" to do its > >> thing > >> ??? which we then perceive as "self-organization". > >> > >> ??? Its simple but not easy. > >> ??? Is not facing that which seduces to twists, adulterations, creating > >> ??? surrogate cocktails...? > >> > >> ??? Greetings from Berlin > >> ??? mmp > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> ??? Am 21.06.2019 um 04:04 schrieb Juliane Martina Roell (Structure & > >> ??? Process) via OSList: > >> ???? > > >> ???? > > >> ???? > Jake Yeager via OSList schrieb am 20.06.19 um 19:31: > >> ???? >> Hey everyone, > >> ???? >> > >> ???? >> Does anyone know of organizations that attempted to implement > >> ???? >> self-organization but failed? If so, do you know some of the > >> ??? factors > >> ???? >> that contributed to the failure? We hear about the successes, > >> like > >> ???? >> Semco and AES, but rarely about the failures. I'd like to > >> ??? understand > >> ???? >> better what the pitfalls are and also what the success rate is. > >> ???? > Hi Jake, > >> ???? > > >> ???? > what do you mean by "implement self-organization"? > >> ???? > How would one go about doing that? > >> ???? > > >> ???? > Best Regards, > >> ???? > > >> ???? > Juliane. > >> > >> ??? -- ??? Michael M Pannwitz > >> ??? Draisweg 1, 12209 Berlin, Germany > >> ??? ++49 - 30-772 8000 > >> ??? [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> > >> > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 2 > Date: Wed, 26 Jun 2019 15:13:49 +0200 > From: Wojciech Zawisz <[email protected]> > To: [email protected] > Subject: [OSList] OST meeting for ca. 500 people > Message-ID: > < > cale9k1mqce7lpdhtfu4rxon2-byt7jeb7uxoud+_i3djdy3...@mail.gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" > > Hi. > I would like to ask about your experience regarding the venue requirements > for OST event for ca. 500 people. > How much space (m2) is minimum? > What else are important areas organisers should take under consideration, > so event would be safe and valuable for all participants? > I would appreciate your thoughts. > Thank you, > > Wojtek > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: < > http://lists.openspacetech.org/pipermail/oslist-openspacetech.org/attachments/20190626/4cc4a16a/attachment-0001.html > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 3 > Date: Wed, 26 Jun 2019 17:29:35 +0200 > From: gerardo de luzenberger <[email protected]> > To: World wide Open Space Technology email list > <[email protected]> > Cc: Wojciech Zawisz <[email protected]> > Subject: Re: [OSList] OST meeting for ca. 500 people > Message-ID: > < > cank02opt6qku6kdwobex8biln+tj9szp1bozjx4kyek022j...@mail.gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" > > Ciao Wojciech, > > I did a coouple of 500 participants OS last year. > A lot of learnings about space, breakouts, reporting, ....., if you like we > can have a skype call > in the next days on that > ciao > ge > > > > > Office: Via A. 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If you are not an intended recipient(s), > please notify it via e-mail [email protected] > <https://mail.google.com/mail/u/1/blocked::mailto:[email protected]> promptly > > > > Il giorno mer 26 giu 2019 alle ore 15:32 Wojciech Zawisz via OSList < > [email protected]> ha scritto: > > > Hi. > > I would like to ask about your experience regarding the venue > requirements > > for OST event for ca. 500 people. > > How much space (m2) is minimum? > > What else are important areas organisers should take under consideration, > > so event would be safe and valuable for all participants? > > I would appreciate your thoughts. > > Thank you, > > > > Wojtek > > _______________________________________________ > > OSList mailing list > > To post send emails to [email protected] > > To unsubscribe send an email to [email protected] > > To subscribe or manage your subscription click below: > > http://lists.openspacetech.org/listinfo.cgi/oslist-openspacetech.org > > Past archives can be viewed here: > > http://www.mail-archive.com/[email protected] > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: < > http://lists.openspacetech.org/pipermail/oslist-openspacetech.org/attachments/20190626/1ecd603f/attachment-0001.html > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 4 > Date: Wed, 26 Jun 2019 13:24:35 -0400 > From: "Harrison Owen" <[email protected]> > To: "'World wide Open Space Technology email list'" > <[email protected]> > Subject: Re: [OSList] OST meeting for ca. 500 people > Message-ID: <000001d52c44$07125d60$15371820$@com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" > > Soo? A biggie! How about 2108? Logistical expert is Michael Pannwitz & Co > in Berlin. All German Psychiatrists in two Circus Tents. 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