Hi Mark. I appreciate that you express in more detail what you have been sharing in short phrases. I won't say more right now (busy day) but it may be a conversation here. Best to you.
On Sun, Jan 24, 2021, 2:46 PM Mark Carmel via OSList < oslist@lists.openspacetech.org> wrote: > Jeff, > Thank you very much for your thoughtful reply to my post ... predicting > the future, toe the party line, rise to the top, do otherwise you go to the > bottom... Your reply referred me to the four fold way of leadership to > ...speak your truth without blame or judgement... That's a wonderful warm > and fuzzy thought Jeff but it is not practical and it is not practiced in > the real world. It is not working. Let's look at the best example of > leadership right now in the world. That is America and the outcome of an > election. Let's take a close look at the winners who swept all seats of > power and have now the total, coveted control and power over the entire > government with which to lead. Do the winners speak their truth (now that > they won) without blame or judgment? Did the winners speak their truth > without blame or judgment in order to win? The answers are very clear > Jeff. Hell no. Speaking your truth with a lot of blame and a lot of > judgment is THE way to gain leadership power and control as we've just > witnessed. To believe that this is not true is simply naive if one observes > real world leadership results. The 2nd point the 4 four fold way makes > regarding the principle of speaking your truth without blame or judgment, > Is that ...your truth is not THE truth... When you consider how divided > America is now around who is telling the truth, do you really think that > the winners of the election believe that their truth is not THE truth > Jeff? The four fold way sounds good Jeff, a vision, but not a reality if > one faces facts about how and why leaders rise to power. Tow the party > line folks, said another way is as follows ... Respect and obey your > leaders and you will rise to the top. Disagree and find faults with your > leaders, by sharing your four fold way feelings about what is wrong and > what could be better, and you will go downward. Not my truth, THE truth. > Leadership loyalty is THE only way to not put yourself .... and others we > try to bring in the safe space.... into harms way. The rules have changed. > And rules is rules. > MC > > On Sun, Jan 24, 2021, 1:21 AM <oslist-requ...@lists.openspacetech.org> > wrote: > >> Send OSList mailing list submissions to >> oslist@lists.openspacetech.org >> >> To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit >> >> http://lists.openspacetech.org/listinfo.cgi/oslist-openspacetech.org >> or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to >> oslist-requ...@lists.openspacetech.org >> >> You can reach the person managing the list at >> oslist-ow...@lists.openspacetech.org >> >> When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific >> than "Re: Contents of OSList digest..." >> >> >> Today's Topics: >> >> 1. Re: Predicting the future...tow the party line and you will >> rise to the top, disobey and you go to the bottom (Jeff Aitken) >> >> >> ---------------------------------------------------------------------- >> >> Message: 1 >> Date: Fri, 22 Jan 2021 16:56:01 -0800 >> From: Jeff Aitken <r.jeff.ait...@gmail.com> >> To: World wide Open Space Technology email list >> <oslist@lists.openspacetech.org> >> Subject: Re: [OSList] Predicting the future...tow the party line and >> you will rise to the top, disobey and you go to the bottom >> Message-ID: >> <CANNDQebBLGYeLZ_+5T4XVn9TmgAA1= >> nb6q-8k44nff89+y1...@mail.gmail.com> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" >> >> Mark, you seem to be feeling a lot of distress. Just wanted to say that, >> and I am glad you are sharing with the open space community. "Speak your >> truth, without blame or judgement" said Angeles Arrien in the Fourfold >> Way. >> I don't know what else to say. >> >> Jeff >> >> On Thu, Jan 21, 2021, 9:08 PM Tony Budak via OSList < >> oslist@lists.openspacetech.org> wrote: >> >> > I prefer to tow a parallel line of conversation leading to a change of >> > culture. >> > >> > On 1/21/2021 9:15 PM, Mark Carmel via OSList wrote: >> > >> > The future is CLEAR >> > >> > _______________________________________________ >> > OSList mailing list >> > To post send emails to OSList@lists.openspacetech.org >> > To unsubscribe send an email to oslist-le...@lists.openspacetech.org >> > To subscribe or manage your subscription click below: >> http://lists.openspacetech.org/listinfo.cgi/oslist-openspacetech.org >> > Past archives can be viewed here: >> http://www.mail-archive.com/oslist@lists.openspacetech.org >> > >> > -- >> > Stay Safe & Well, Tony Budak >> > >> > _______________________________________________ >> > OSList mailing list >> > To post send emails to OSList@lists.openspacetech.org >> > To unsubscribe send an email to oslist-le...@lists.openspacetech.org >> > To subscribe or manage your subscription click below: >> > http://lists.openspacetech.org/listinfo.cgi/oslist-openspacetech.org >> > Past archives can be viewed here: >> > http://www.mail-archive.com/oslist@lists.openspacetech.org >> -------------- next part -------------- >> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... >> URL: < >> http://lists.openspacetech.org/pipermail/oslist-openspacetech.org/attachments/20210122/7e6b3f4f/attachment-0001.html >> > >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> Subject: Digest Footer >> >> _______________________________________________ >> OSList mailing list >> To post send emails to OSList@lists.openspacetech.org >> To unsubscribe send an email to oslist-le...@lists.openspacetech.org >> To subscribe or manage your subscription click below: >> http://lists.openspacetech.org/listinfo.cgi/oslist-openspacetech.org >> Past archives can be viewed here: >> http://www.mail-archive.com/oslist@lists.openspacetech.org >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> End of OSList Digest, Vol 117, Issue 27 >> *************************************** >> > _______________________________________________ > OSList mailing list > To post send emails to OSList@lists.openspacetech.org > To unsubscribe send an email to oslist-le...@lists.openspacetech.org > To subscribe or manage your subscription click below: > http://lists.openspacetech.org/listinfo.cgi/oslist-openspacetech.org > Past archives can be viewed here: > http://www.mail-archive.com/oslist@lists.openspacetech.org
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