On 2008-Sep-08, at 03:29, Arden Currie wrote:
On Sep 7, 2008, at 3:39 PM, Chris Gehlker wrote:
So does he advocate the establishment of a world religion? It would
give the UN something to do.
I think his article needed a bit of editing because he his statements
only amount to circular thinking. There are a few who battle
Dominionist plans. Kathleen Yurica has been writing about it for years
<http://www.yuricareport.com/index.html>
This article to me just shows that some are aware of it and how
successful it has been. I believe the Dominionists have been promoted
greatly in power by the GOP while being used as a tool by the GOP
criminal elite.
The evidence of Dominionism is apparent on nutters, how many
discussions on religion and intelligent design have their been? and
why? maybe because they have infiltrated so many levels of government
here in the US. Their plans seem to be working.
On 2008-Sep-08, at 03:29, Arden Currie wrote:
On Sep 7, 2008, at 3:39 PM, Chris Gehlker wrote:
So does he advocate the establishment of a world religion? It would
give the UN something to do.
I think his article needed a bit of editing because he his statements
only amount to circular thinking. There are a few who battle
Dominionist plans. Kathleen Yurica has been writing about it for years
<http://www.yuricareport.com/index.html>
This article to me just shows that some are aware of it and how
successful it has been. I believe the Dominionists have been promoted
greatly in power by the GOP while being used as a tool by the GOP
criminal elite.
The evidence of Dominionism is apparent on nutters, how many
discussions on religion and intelligent design have their been? and
why? maybe because they have infiltrated so many levels of government
here in the US. Their plans seem to be working.
It's hard to keep the balance between letting people practice religion
in their own lives and groups, and keeping religious influence out of
government.
It is tempting to think that it would be simpler to just get rid of
all religion by educating "the sheep" to think for themselves, but
that just tends to make the sheep angry.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1vUi94QNZSw
Talk too much about how science disproves the creation myth, or how
religion is to blame for most wars and suffering, or how infantile
they are for believing in dogma, and so on, makes the sheep want to
ram into you, and destroy your science and destroy your politics.
Have you ever tried to talk to a sheep? Did it get bored and ram you?
Is that what people want?
Remember, religious people outnumber us.
Globally.
It is their planet. Treat them with respect.
As for education, bear in mind, it is no easy task. Life is a mystery
to us. We don't have much in the way of answers. It is not easy to
dissuade them of their beliefs when they need to believe. As humans we
need a bigger picture. When Arthur C. Clarke writes about the big
picture, there are smarter and more powerful aliens out there, and
then even smarter ones, and so on up. When Gurdjieff writes about the
bigger picture, there are smarter aliens, and then smarter ones, and
so on up.
We imagine and seek a higher unity beyond our personal lives, and then
a higher unity, and then even higher, and so on. Einstein puts it:
"The individual feels the futility of human desires and aims and the
sublimity and marvelous order which reveal themselves both in nature
and in the world of thought. Individual existence impresses him as a
sort of prison and he wants to experience the universe as a single
significant whole. The beginnings of cosmic religious feeling already
appear at an early stage of development, e.g., in many of the Psalms
of David and in some of the Prophets. Buddhism, as we have learned
especially from the wonderful writings of Schopenhauer, contains a
much stronger element of this.
The religious geniuses of all ages have been distinguished by this
kind of religious feeling, which knows no dogma and no God conceived
in man's image; so that there can be no church whose central teachings
are based on it. Hence it is precisely among the heretics of every age
that we find men who were filled with this highest kind of religious
feeling and were in many cases regarded by their contemporaries as
atheists, sometimes also as saints. Looked at in this light, men like
Democritus, Francis of Assisi, and Spinoza are closely akin to one
another."
This suggests that if you're smart, you outgrow dogmatic religion and
become an etheist, and then if you're really smart, you outgrow simple
atheism, and become "cosmically" religious.
So one way or the other, it ain't going away. What we need are ways to
let the dogmatic religious people be religious without making them
angry with us and wanting to dominate us. It's hard because they
probably think that the country would be a better place if we were all
religious just like them. So far it's not been too much of a problem,
but I wonder why things seem to be slipping in USA whilst Europe seems
to remain more progressive?
Stefano
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