On 8-Oct-2009, at 14:45, David Patrick Henderson wrote: > On 08 Oct 2009, at 10:29, LuKreme wrote: > >> On 7-Oct-2009, at 10:56, David Patrick Henderson wrote: >>> the Constitution only guarantees that political expression >>> should not have criminal penalties imposed by the government or its >>> agents. >> >> >> Oh really? >> >> Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, >> or >> prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of >> speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to >> assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances. >> >> 'the freedom of speech' >> >> It says nothing about political expression. > > Take that up with SCOTUS. But let's do a thought experiment. All > speech is free as in free of consequence. Can one enter a crowded > space with limited egress and decide to shout "fire" where there is in > fact no fire and have no criminal or civil penalties assessed?
You said political. There's a large range between free political speech and 'say anything you want' > Or better yet, if all speech is free, reconcile that idea with the > exceptions for slander and libel. There are no exceptions for slander or libel, those are civil issuses and have nothing to do with the government restricting speech. > The Constitution applies only with regard to > intercessions between the government and its agents and the people. Which not the same thing as 'political speech' > Absolutely, the article clearly states that the burden is on the > police to demonstrate that those charged were actually abetting > criminal activity. But in the mean time the police have done what they always do when they are out for revenge, they took a bunch of shit as 'evidence' which the people (some of whom had property sized despite not being charged with any crime) might or might not ever see again. And even if they do, it will be months if not years. -- "Oh damn", said Maladict. _______________________________________________ OSX-Nutters mailing list | [email protected] http://lists.tit-wank.com/mailman/listinfo/osx-nutters List hosted at http://cat5.org/
