I think the difference between mining and disposal is that when disposed
of the lead is in no longer in a stable sulphated state (galena), is
closer to the surface, and can leech into the water table. Though anyone
who approves a refuse disposal location capable of affecting the water
table is negligent to the nth degree.

I agree this stinks of protectionism, and if reliability issues are not
readily solved will only cause more ham than good through shortened
product life cycles.

Tom.
 

> -----Original Message-----
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Brad Velander
> Sent: Thursday, 9 December 2004 10:51 AM
> To: Open Topic Forum
> Subject: RE: [OT] Lead free re design
> 
> Ivan, others,
>       I am not trying to deliberately extend this discussion 
> but so far I have not seen any mention of the front end 
> effects. The mining of Lead and it's associated environmental 
> issues. Sure it is found naturally in the ground and it has 
> been there for a long time. So is uranium, radon and a host 
> of other much more nasty materials but they usually do not 
> raise a significant health hazard left in their natural 
> state. Start mining it and now it is in the air, the water, 
> falling off the sides or backs of dump trucks and conveyors, 
> washing into streams or water reservoirs. Then you smelt it, 
> more lead enters the environment. Not to mention all of the 
> energy input that goes into this process.
> 
>       Other metal alloys also have similar energy inputs so 
> that is not so much a green or greener issue.
> 
>       The one issue that I question, I don't have a thorough 
> knowledge of the details, who's products have lead content 
> that account for greater than 0.1% of the product weight? 
> Seems to me that a lot of PCB assemblies are just going to 
> skirt the whole issue based solely on this weight exclusion. 
> Any comments?
> 
> 
> Sincerely,
> Brad Velander
> Senior PCB Designer
> Northern Airborne Technology
> 1925 Kirschner Rd.,
> Kelowna, BC, V1Y 4N7.
> tel (250) 763-2329 ext. 225
> fax (250) 762-3374
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Behalf Of Bagotronix Tech Support
> Sent: Wednesday, December 08, 2004 11:56 AM
> To: OT Forum (Techserv); "Indrek Rebane"
> Subject: [OT] Re: [PEDA] Lead free re design
> 
> 
> Hi, Indrek:
> 
> > > I enjoy nature and green spaces as much as anyone, but 
> some of the 
> > > greenies' ideas of conservation are scientifically unsound.  This 
> > > lead-free solder is one of them.
> >
> > And your reasoning is? Assume that CRT's and Pb-batteries 
> are properly 
> > recycled.
> 
> My reasoning is that lead-free solder joints are not as 
> reliable over the long term as lead-full solder joints.  We 
> won't know the real facts on this until lead-free has been in 
> actual field use for several more years.  Early indications 
> do not look favorable, from what I have seen and read.  What 
> good are lead-free products if you have to produce 3 of them 
> to get the same operational lifetime as 1 lead-full product?  
> Then there are the costs of service calls, etc.  Yes, my 
> CRT's and batteries are recycled, their cost-benefit ratio 
> for recycling is good since they contain large amounts of lead.
> 
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