Gosh Vickie, I'm just getting wound up! <grin>

By  the  way,  I'm on the way out the door to go work with patients. Maybe I
can put some of my words into action like you suggest! <grin again>

No  offense  taken.  This is an open forum and everyone is entitled to their
professional opinion. <not grinning>


Ron

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On 10/10/2002, [EMAIL PROTECTED] said:

VP> Ron Carson wrote:
>> 
>> Hello Ann:
>> 
>> I  am  getting  confused in our discussion. It seems like their are two
>> different  scenarios.  If  the  client tells me that he wants to return
>> home  and  his wife is telling me that he MUST be able to dress himself
>> in  order  to return home, then I would tell the client that "according
>> to  your  wife,  you  must be able to dress yourself in order to return
>> home".  I would not just ask the client the question about dressing and
>> then  give  up. I would spend a great deal of time trying to understand
>> WHY  the  client doesn't want to dress himself. I would attempt to talk
>> to  the client about overcoming any perceived barriers and explain that
>> as  an  OT,  my  expertise is helping clients achieve those occupations
>> which  at  times seem impossible. I often tell students that one of the
>> best  questions  that they can ask clients is "Why". In other words, to
>> understand clients, I need to understand the why behind the occupation.
>> It is simple but, in my experience, a very powerful question.
>> 
>> Now,  if  the  client  still  doesn't  want  to dress himself AND he is
>> competent   to   make   that  decision  then  I  believe  it  would  be
>> unprofessional,  irresponsible  and  unethical  to  force the client to
>> participate  in  therapy.  The  concept  of  autonomy  says that I must
>> respect  clients  decisions  (if  they are competent to make decisions)
>> whether or not I agree with the decision.
>> 
>> Finally,  while  I  and  you may think it best for the client to return
>> home,  our values are not the values of the client. I certainly want to
>> explain  to the client my opinion about nursing homes but my job is not
>> to  impose personal values on clients. More than anything, my job is to
>> understand clients values and work within their value system to achieve
>> their desired goals.
>> 
>> Hope this helps,
>> 
>> Ron
>> 
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>> On 10/10/02, [EMAIL PROTECTED] said:
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>> Dac> So, just to get this straight, you would feel that it is better to let this
>> Dac> men go to a nursing home, than attempt to work with him and his wife, using
>> Dac> therapeutic use of self, to seek a compromise that would achieve his (stated)
>> Dac> goal of returning home, because he hasn't articulated to your satisfaction
>> Dac> that he derives occupational meaning from dressing?
>> Dac> Ann
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VP> Ron, et.al......

VP> This discussion has way past it's benefit....... Please move on. This is
VP> driving me crazy.....

VP> Ron... no offense, but I think it would behoove (is that a word?) you
VP> and your patients to DO more and TALK less.

VP> vickie patterson

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