Hey D:

I think the memory problem is where I get confused. For example, I evaluated
a  woman yesterday with advance Alz. He son, the caregiver, reports a recent
and  significant  decline in his Mom's ability to ambulate, transfer, assist
with  toileting and bathtub transfers. (these are what I was referring to as
'functional symptoms')

Now,  the question becomes is this a memory disorder or a movement disorder?
And can't a memory disorder manifest itself as a movement disorder. In other
words,  can't  a  person  forget how to move? Finally, doesn't PD eventually
effect  one's  cognition, including memory? IF so, wouldn't PD them become a
memory disorder.

It  seems  that  while etiology of PD and Alz may differ, the results of the
diseases are similar.

Ron



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Tuesday, December 2, 2003, 10:31:02 AM, you wrote:

LD> FUNCTIONAL SYMPTOMS?  not sure what you mean here...but, for the
LD> most part in PD there is a brain versus movement disorder and in AD it
LD> is more of a memory issue


LD> I think I answered your second question in my first
LD> response.....no, I would not treat the same

LD> My approach would be to assess the impairments that I feel
LD> contribute to the functional deficit and attempt to offer intervention
LD> that would improve the impairment thus function (i.e.  weight training
LD> to improve balance).  The person with AD would not be able to understand
LD> the weight training....so, I might use something more familiar to
LD> improve balance (like dance moves)

LD> So, did I answer your questions?  

LD> David A. Lehman, PhD, PT
LD> Associate Professor
LD> Tennessee State University
LD> Department of Physical Therapy
LD> 3500 John A. Merritt Blvd.
LD> Nashville, TN 37209
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LD> -----Original Message-----
LD> From: Ron Carson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
LD> Sent: Tuesday, December 02, 2003 9:06 AM
LD> To: Lehman, David
LD> Subject: Re: [OTnow] Parkinson's disease / Alzheimer's


LD> Hello David:

LD> In  your  experience,  are the 'functional' symptoms of PD and Alz similiar?
LD> And  if  so  is  your treatment the same or would you treat a client with PD
LD> different  than  a  client  with  Alz?  Granted  ALL clients are individuals
LD> requiring  individual care but are their general treatment differences based
LD> on the client's diagnoses?

LD> Ron

LD> =================================================
LD> Tuesday, December 2, 2003, 9:25:18 AM, you wrote:

LD>> My understanding and experience of the mental changes/dementia due
LD>> to PD are related to the decrease in dopamine within the
LD>> nigro-striatal-cortical connections to the frontal lobe.  The mental
LD>> changes occur as the disease progresses.  It seems to cause a decreased
LD>> emotional investment in the movement I may be assessing (i.e. gait). 
LD>> Therefore, this has been discussed as being one of the reasons for the
LD>> lack of initiation in P w/ PD.

LD>> Also, long-term use of L-Dopa can lead to schizzophrenic type dementia.

LD>> My approach to EVERY person with AD or PD is individualized and
LD>> never based soley on the diagnosis....certainly establishing where the
LD>> person is in regards to mental status is the start, for this will let me
LD>> know if I should use cerebral or primitive mechanisms in my approach to
LD>> treating the movement deficit.

LD>> Seems like most of the people with AD that I have treated were in
LD>> LTC facilities and were at the later stages.  I would use very
LD>> common/familiar tasks (i.e. bicyle/dance/walk) for mobility training. 
LD>> The person with PD may not respond as well given the side effects of
LD>> meds and the freezing issues associated with movement in the later
LD>> stages.  However, in early stages, I can use cueing and strength
LD>> training to improve balance and gait.



LD>> David A. Lehman, PhD, PT
LD>> Associate Professor
LD>> Tennessee State University
LD>> Department of Physical Therapy
LD>> 3500 John A. Merritt Blvd.
LD>> Nashville, TN 37209
LD>> 615-963-5946
LD>> [EMAIL PROTECTED]



LD>> Hello:

LD>> What  differences  if  any do you all see in the way that Alzheimer's versus
LD>> Parkinson's diseases manifest themselves in your clients?

LD>> Are your treatment approaches different based solely on the disease?

LD>> Thanks,

LD>> Ron


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