A couple of things:
First, wow!  This list went from last rites to alive and kicking in a matter
of a week or so.  The discussions and postings over the past week have been
alive and vibrant with thought-provoking and stimulating content.  I wonder
how many physicians or marketing managers read/have access to this list?  I
wonder what it would be like if they did?  Ah, ever the dreamer.

Secondly, I wanted to throw my 2 cents toward a comment from Juan Turcios in
this latest thread.
Juan asked:
"Do we as practitioners feel that we are experts in our fields?"  Juan, and
others, quite respectfully it doesn't matter what you or I think or feel as
practitioners.  It matters what we as a united front demonstrate to
consumers, physicians (and other approved referral sources depending on your
state practice act) and third party payers as valid, sustainable
contributions to the healthcare industry.

While we are taught sound Occupation-based theory, and practical clinical
skills in Occupational Therapy schools nowadays which place us in a wide and
marvelous array of practice settings and opportunities, all that won't
matter if we can't survive as a profession.  I'm sure to many out there I
sound like an old, burnt-out alarmist, the crazy old loon lurking in the
corner warning of the impending flood.  But all I'm really implying in my
verbose fashion is that we all think about our profession in the context of
where we currently are, and where we hope to/want to be 10, 20, 30 years
from now.  OK, that's the last message from me on this line of thought.
Cheers!

Bill Maloney, OTR




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> Date: Mon, 1 Sep 2008 19:33:42 -0400
> From: Ron Carson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Subject: Re: [OTlist] Expertise
> To: Ron Carson <[email protected]>
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> Anyone???
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Ron Carson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Sent: Saturday, August 30, 2008
> To:   OTlist <[email protected]>
> Subj: [OTlist] Expertise
>
> RC> What do you think is OT's expertise?
>
> RC> Ron
> RC> --
> RC> Ron Carson MHS, OT
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 2
> Date: Mon, 1 Sep 2008 20:23:47 -0400
> From: Ron Carson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Subject: [OTlist] Getting Ready to Teach...
> To: OTlist <[email protected]>
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> I'm  just  starting to prepare for a two hour guest lecture at a COTA
> training  program.  I'm  very excited because I love teaching and it's
> been several years since I was in the classroom.
>
> My  prep work for teaching takes me back through my old lectures and I
> want to share some tidbits that I gathered along the way of teaching.
>
> In 1999, I was adjunct faculty at the Medical U. of South Carolina, my
> alma  mater.  I  was  teaching  a  course  called:
>
>        Current  Trends in Occupational Therapy:
>        Discovering Your Occupational Self
>
> This is one of the last overheads I showed to the students:
>
>  ==================================================================
>
>                What I hope I have taught this class!
>
> * Look to alternatives
>
> * Meaning is often hidden but that doesn?t mean it isn?t important
>
> * Many  challenges  and  opportunities exist in your patients' lives.
>  Lead them down the path of occupational discovery.
>
> * You  can restore meaning, value, dignity, competence and a sense of
>  achievement. You can fill an existing void in health care.
>
> * Occupation  is  tremendously powerful? understand and use it to its
>  fullest potential.
>
>    ==================================================================
>
>
> Ron
> --
> Ron Carson MHS, OT
>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 3
> Date: Mon, 1 Sep 2008 20:33:36 -0400
> From: Ron Carson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Subject: [OTlist] Meaning
> To: OTlist <[email protected]>
> Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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> ##############################################################
> ##                                                          ##
> ##  Of  what value is a measurable physical outcome if life ##
> ##  has no meaning to the patient?                          ##
> ##                                                          ##
> ##############################################################
>                                  Ruth Zemke & Florence Clark
>
>
> Ron
> --
> Ron Carson MHS, OT
>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 4
> Date: Mon, 1 Sep 2008 20:38:52 -0400
> From: Ron Carson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Subject: [OTlist] Occupation From A Student's Perspective
> To: OTlist <[email protected]>
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>
>  The  following  is  a  letter I received from an occupational therapy
>  student  at  the  University  of  St.  Augustine.  The letter was not
>  written  as  part  of an assignment or required as part of any course
>  work.  I  am  impressed  with  this  student?s  ability  to integrate
>  abstract  theoretical  constructs  into personally relevant meanings.
>
> ====================================================================
>
> OT from the heart: This is what Occupational Therapy is to me.
>
>  Do  you ever wonder what life is all about? Do you ever struggle with
>  what  your  role  in life is or will be? Questions like, ?Where am I,
>  and  what am I doing here??, often run through my mind. For the first
>  time  in  years  I  feel  that  I  may  have  an answer to those ever
>  lingering truth-seeking questions.
>
>  I?ve  known my whole life that I wanted to help and serve people in a
>  way  that  I could impact someone forever. I believe that there is no
>  better  way  to  impact someone than to address and serve individuals
>  specific  needs.  Occupational  therapy  will  allow me to accomplish
>  this,  to serve people on a level that is at the center of life. This
>  is where I want to be, the very core of living.
>
>  What  is  an occupation anyway? Occupations are anything in life that
>  we  as  humans  do  to  have  fun,  take  care  of  ourselves,  or be
>  productive. What this translates to in my mind is that anything we do
>  of  meaning  is an occupation. As a result, without your occupations,
>  you have lost all your life?s meaning. An example of an occupation in
>  my  life is exercising because it makes me feel productive and brings
>  me  a  high  level  satisfaction.  If  I weren?t able to exercise any
>  longer,  then I would have an occupational deficit. As an OT, my goal
>  would  be  to  empower  my client to once again learn how to exercise
>  either  the way, he/she use to or in a new way. Another example of an
>  occupation  would  be  using the toilet or making a meal which can be
>  very critical in ones happiness and survival.
>
>  I  believe  that  our  lives are made of occupations, and without our
>  occupations  we  are without life. There have been studies that shown
>  the  fact  that  infants  need the occupation of being cared for by a
>  caregiver  in  order to live and grow. To me this demonstrates how we
>  as  humans  of  all  ages  have an internal and critical need for our
>  occupations and without them we are without life.
>
>  This  is what I meant when I said that Occupational Therapy is at the
>  core  of  life.  Occupations are life, and there is nothing more real
>  than that. This is the beauty of Occupational Therapy, the capability
>  to  help  enable  people  to restore their occupations which restores
>  their    lives.   Occupational   therapy   addresses   people   lives
>  (occupations)  when  other health care professionals only look at the
>  physiological  or  physical  body.  What does this mean to you? In my
>  life, it means I may have found an answer to the questions I posed in
>  paragraph   one.  It  means  that  I  have  the  ability  to  empower
>  occupations  and  essentially  empower life, and that is what its all
>  about.
>
>  =============================================================
>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 5
> Date: Mon, 1 Sep 2008 21:02:33 -0400
> From: Ron Carson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Subject: [OTlist] Another OT Student's Perspective
> To: OTlist <[email protected]>
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> Life  is  a  complex  weave  of tapestries with unique interpretation,
> understanding  and perception. Each person on this earth is created as
> an  individual  and  with  that  freedom  comes the joy, and sometimes
> frustration,  of  experiencing our own unique life. What is life? This
> question  has  been  asked  for  generation  upon  generation. Just as
> Solomon  pondered  the  true meaning in life through all of his wealth
> and  power  saying  that  it  is  all  simply ?grasping the wind?, our
> patients  will  question their existence and continually be in need of
> direction  as  they stumble and are blinded by trials in understanding
> life.  Life is ?what we experience from morning to night, seven days a
> week,  for  approximately 70 years.? Although King Solomon, clearly an
> educated  and wise man, probably understood the definition of life, he
> continually  searched  for  meaning  in  the  life  that  he  knew. As
> occupational therapists, we need to guide our patients in their search
> for   meaning  by  helping  them  create  an  excellent  life  through
> meaningful occupation.
>
> Occupational  therapists  are  not  professionals walking around with
> ?excellent  life vaccines? in their pockets, searching for a sad soul
> or  a  broken  spirit. No. OT?s are uniquely qualified people who can
> direct  their  patients  in  understanding  the  essential connection
> between meaningful occupation and experiencing an excellent life.
>
> Adapted from: Cari ******, OTS, April 17, 2002, Human Occupation
>
>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 6
> Date: Mon, 1 Sep 2008 20:14:47 -0400
> From: "Laurie Bauch" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Subject: [OTlist] OT now and in the future
> To: <[email protected]>
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>
> Hello
>
> As a lurker, "older wiser learner", COTA, and a someone who just finished
> an
> MS in OT, I find this a very interesting discussion.
>
>
>
> The strong emphasis in our OT program was to become practitioners who are
> strongly rooted in evidence based practice.  The cry of the students was
> that there just isn't a lot of evidence that shows other disciplines the
> hard evidence that occupation has a direct  impact on health.
>
>
>
> With the coming changes of an aging population, improved outcomes for
> people
> with Neurodevelopmental disabilities and all the changes that are occurring
> in health care, OT has a tremendous opportunity to demonstrate what many of
> us have seen in practice, that occupation, -what people need to and want
> to,
> and can do,- does impact health, - but we have to prove it to those who
> receive our services and the systems that pay for those services.
>
>
>
> The World Health Organization and the medical community are becoming more
> aware of the need to look at function in context.  OT is already there.
>
> Laurie Bauch, COTA/OT
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Date: Mon, 1 Sep 2008 08:15:19 -0500
>
> From: "Bill Maloney" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>
> Subject: Re: [OTlist] OTlist Digest, Vol 41, Issue 26
>
> To: [email protected]
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> Message-ID:
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>
>
> Bear with me folks, I couldn't resist.  Something Ron said, highlighted
> below, hearkens back to a keynote speech from then AOTA president Barbara
> Kornblau (circa 2003).
>
>
>
> Ron Carson wrote:
>
> *"But it's HOW and WHY we apply
>
> these skills that separate us from PT. And, there MUST be a clear line
> between OT and PT, otherwise we are going to get gobbled up."*
>
>
>
> Barbara Kornblau (an excellent speaker/presenter) talked about the APTA's
> "Vision 2020" initiative.  For those of you not familiar with that plan,
> the
> intent is raise the entry level degree for PTs to DPT from 2020 forward.
>
>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 7
> Date: Mon, 1 Sep 2008 19:50:19 -0400
> From: Susan Orloff <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Subject: Re: [OTlist] Expertise
> To: [email protected]
> Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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>  delsp=yes
>
> Before we can say what OT Expertise is we have to define "expertise"...
>
> on the web...
> A capability of a person to perform an operation in a limited domain
> with exceptional results when compared to others capable of performing
> the same operation
>
> Special skill in or knowledge about a particular topic or activity.
>
> Specialized domain knowledge, skills, tricks, shortcuts and rules-of-
> thumb that provide an ability to rapidly and effectively solve
> problems within a particular domain.
>
> Knowledge and skills gained from both/either training and/or
> experience, ie, practice wisdom
>
>
> So having defined "expertise" it becomes easier to define OT
> Expertise---But inclusive of all that is above, it is also about the
> background of experience to have a "sixth sense" about what you are
> observing (in the client both passive and interactive)  so that your
> therapeutic actions meld into a response that is knowledge and
> experience based, intuitive and creative.
>
> Being able to keep passionate about not what you know but what you
> have yet to learn and to emerese yourself in that process for the
> benefit of colleagues and clients.
>
> Susan N. Schriber Orloff, OTR/L
> CEO/Exec. Director
> Children's Special Services, LLC
> Atlanta, GA
>
>
> On Sep 1, 2008, at 7:33 PM, Ron Carson wrote:
>
> > Anyone???
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: Ron Carson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > Sent: Saturday, August 30, 2008
> > To:   OTlist <[email protected]>
> > Subj: [OTlist] Expertise
> >
> > RC> What do you think is OT's expertise?
> >
> > RC> Ron
> > RC> --
> > RC> Ron Carson MHS, OT
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > --
> > Options?
> > www.otnow.com/mailman/options/otlist_otnow.com
> >
> > Archive?
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>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 8
> Date: Tue, 02 Sep 2008 11:57:31 +0000
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: [OTlist] Re. getting gobbled up
> To: [email protected]
> Message-ID:
>        <
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> >
>
> Content-Type: text/plain
>
> Bill,
> You aren't ranting, you are simply stating the truth.  My situation will
> illustrate this clearly.  8 years ago, my manager  proposed a procedure to
> have PT screen OT orders to determine appropriateness.  I fought against
> this policy successfully for 5-1/2 years.  I went out on a THREE day leave
> with a sick child and came back one day to find the other OT had agreed to
> the policy in my absence.  I was absolutely stunned.  At that time, I
> decided that fighting the policy from the outside would not change anything
> and decided to stay to facilatate change from the the inside by staying.
>  Also, I told them that this was the beginning of the devaluation of OT in
> this organization and that we would eventually be eliminated.
>
> Now fast forward 2 years--The OT's were downsized from 2.5 FTE's to 2.0
> FTE's for a 700 bed hospital.  PT's are addressing most orders unless they
> came from an orthopedist, neurologist, neurosurgeon or a physiatrist.  My
> predictions have come true and I feel like I'm rearranging chairs on the
> Titanic.  I love acute care and strive to perform ONLY occupation-based
> intervention, but, I fear, it is too little, too late.  The other OT's do
> not espouse the same philosophy and just have a job.  I have a profession
> that I love, but sadly, we have shot ourselves in the foot!
>
> Judy Hamby, MHS, OTR/L, BCPR
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 9
> Date: Tue, 2 Sep 2008 08:20:55 -0400
> From: Ron Carson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Subject: Re: [OTlist] Expertise
> To: Susan Orloff <[email protected]>
> Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252
>
> Thanks for the definitions.
>
> So, what do members of this list see as OT's expertise????????
>
>
> Ron
> --
> Ron Carson MHS, OT
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Susan Orloff <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Sent: Monday, September 01, 2008
> To:   [email protected] <[email protected]>
> Subj: [OTlist] Expertise
>
> SO> Before we can say what OT Expertise is we have to define "expertise"...
>
> SO> on the web...
> SO> A capability of a person to perform an operation in a limited domain
> SO> with exceptional results when compared to others capable of performing
> SO> the same operation
>
> SO> Special skill in or knowledge about a particular topic or activity.
>
> SO> Specialized domain knowledge, skills, tricks, shortcuts and rules-of-
> SO> thumb that provide an ability to rapidly and effectively solve
> SO> problems within a particular domain.
>
> SO> Knowledge and skills gained from both/either training and/or
> SO> experience, ie, practice wisdom
>
>
> SO> So having defined "expertise" it becomes easier to define OT
> SO> Expertise---But inclusive of all that is above, it is also about the
> SO> background of experience to have a "sixth sense" about what you are
> SO> observing (in the client both passive and interactive)  so that your
> SO> therapeutic actions meld into a response that is knowledge and
> SO> experience based, intuitive and creative.
>
> SO> Being able to keep passionate about not what you know but what you
> SO> have yet to learn and to emerese yourself in that process for the
> SO> benefit of colleagues and clients.
>
> SO> Susan N. Schriber Orloff, OTR/L
> SO> CEO/Exec. Director
> SO> Children's Special Services, LLC
> SO> Atlanta, GA
>
>
> SO> On Sep 1, 2008, at 7:33 PM, Ron Carson wrote:
>
> >> Anyone???
> >>
> >> ----- Original Message -----
> >> From: Ron Carson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >> Sent: Saturday, August 30, 2008
> >> To:   OTlist <[email protected]>
> >> Subj: [OTlist] Expertise
> >>
> >> RC> What do you think is OT's expertise?
> >>
> >> RC> Ron
> >> RC> --
> >> RC> Ron Carson MHS, OT
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> --
> >> Options?
> >> www.otnow.com/mailman/options/otlist_otnow.com
> >>
> >> Archive?
> >> www.mail-archive.com/[email protected]
>
>
>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 10
> Date: Tue, 2 Sep 2008 08:59:44 -0400
> From: "Juan Turcios" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Subject: Re: [OTlist] Expertise
> To: [email protected]
> Message-ID:
>        <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1
>
> I believe that OT are experts in what they do, be it early intervention,
> geriatrics, driving, hands. It all depends on experience and training. Most
> important is how does the individual feel about their skills as an OT. Do
> we
> as practitioners feel that we are experts in our fields? Would we be able
> to
> go into a courtroom as an expert witness, etc. But I do think that we can
> be
> experts. Juan C. Turcios
>
> On 9/2/08, Ron Carson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >
> > Thanks for the definitions.
> >
> > So, what do members of this list see as OT's expertise????????
> >
> >
> > Ron
> > --
> > Ron Carson MHS, OT
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: Susan Orloff <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > Sent: Monday, September 01, 2008
> > To:   [email protected] <[email protected]>
> > Subj: [OTlist] Expertise
> >
> > SO> Before we can say what OT Expertise is we have to define
> "expertise"...
> >
> > SO> on the web...
> > SO> A capability of a person to perform an operation in a limited domain
> > SO> with exceptional results when compared to others capable of
> performing
> > SO> the same operation
> >
> > SO> Special skill in or knowledge about a particular topic or activity.
> >
> > SO> Specialized domain knowledge, skills, tricks, shortcuts and rules-of-
> > SO> thumb that provide an ability to rapidly and effectively solve
> > SO> problems within a particular domain.
> >
> > SO> Knowledge and skills gained from both/either training and/or
> > SO> experience, ie, practice wisdom
> >
> >
> > SO> So having defined "expertise" it becomes easier to define OT
> > SO> Expertise---But inclusive of all that is above, it is also about the
> > SO> background of experience to have a "sixth sense" about what you are
> > SO> observing (in the client both passive and interactive)  so that your
> > SO> therapeutic actions meld into a response that is knowledge and
> > SO> experience based, intuitive and creative.
> >
> > SO> Being able to keep passionate about not what you know but what you
> > SO> have yet to learn and to emerese yourself in that process for the
> > SO> benefit of colleagues and clients.
> >
> > SO> Susan N. Schriber Orloff, OTR/L
> > SO> CEO/Exec. Director
> > SO> Children's Special Services, LLC
> > SO> Atlanta, GA
> >
> >
> > SO> On Sep 1, 2008, at 7:33 PM, Ron Carson wrote:
> >
> > >> Anyone???
> > >>
> > >> ----- Original Message -----
> > >> From: Ron Carson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > >> Sent: Saturday, August 30, 2008
> > >> To:   OTlist <[email protected]>
> > >> Subj: [OTlist] Expertise
> > >>
> > >> RC> What do you think is OT's expertise?
> > >>
> > >> RC> Ron
> > >> RC> --
> > >> RC> Ron Carson MHS, OT
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> --
> > >> Options?
> > >> www.otnow.com/mailman/options/otlist_otnow.com
> > >>
> > >> Archive?
> > >> www.mail-archive.com/[email protected]
> >
> >
> >
> >
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