That is right Linda.....if you are using FIM to assess, they have to do "real" baths to grade the patient accurately....
--- On Tue, 9/9/08, Sue Doyle <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: From: Sue Doyle <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: [OTlist] OT's Role in ADL's To: [email protected] Date: Tuesday, September 9, 2008, 7:36 PM Hi All, Linda on your discussion of staff not wanting to do the real bathing with patients. The Rules for the FIM measure are very clear that all bathroom (tub/shower) transfers should be performed wet and with no clothes on...that is the real thing. I also work in an inpatient rehab unit as the lead therapist. We do several real bathing sessions per day. It is an awesome place to work on many of the physical and cognitive components of self care aside from increasing their skills in bathing and comfort and safety levels prior to discharge. Bathing can be very therapeutic at all levels starting with a bed bath and then transfering to a shower or tub depending on the patients whole context etc. > Date: Tue, 9 Sep 2008 21:27:36 +0000> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: [email protected]> Subject: Re: [OTlist] OT's Role in ADL's> > Linda> > Coming in slightly late to this discussion. I previously worked in an in-patient rehab unit here in England and independent bathing/showering/strip washing was one of the most common goals of our patients. > > The OT would carry out an initial assessment with the patient to establish a base line and appropriate intervention, (intervention would be based on their level of function and pre morbid habits). The OT would then carry out a joint session with an assistant who would then continue with the bathing sessions from 2 - 5 times a week as required. The Ot would review the patient weekly and grade the activity increasing/decreasing demands as necessary to progress the patients rehab.> > When analysed bathing is a complex task which demands many components, and not only did our intervention often increase the patients independence in personal care but it increased skills which could be transferred to other areas of their life: a stroke patient with neglect worked on their scanning, body awareness, sequencing, perseveration...etc.> > For this reason it is a valuable and meaningful task which should be carried out early in our interventions (not just pre discharge)> > We had a great team of therapy assistants and health care assistants who would carry out our treatment plan with the patients on a frequent basis and working closely with the nursing assistants increased their understanding of OT which encouraged an enabling approach throughout the unit.> > > Kind Regards > > Lucy Simpson > > > For Quality Stationery and Greetings Cards check out this website: > www.phoenix-trading.co.uk/web/lucysimpson > Save it in your favourites for the next time you need cards. > > > --- On Tue, 9/9/08, Johnson, Arley <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:> > > From: Johnson, Arley <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>> > Subject: Re: [OTlist] OT's Role in ADL's> > To: [email protected]> > Date: Tuesday, 9 September, 2008, 5:06 PM> > Linda: I was never a big fan of performing IP baths because> > of selfish reasons, but I knew my feelings were a disservice> > to the patients. I'm sure you have discussed this with> > your staff, but it;s most likely a relevant patient goal and> > needs to happen. In my humble opinion, the only reasons that> > a real bath shouldn't occur is due to safety reasons or> > not a goal for the patient. After much discussion, I met> > patients in my time that said getting in the tub wasn't> > a goal for them and preferred their premorbid activity of> > sponge bathing. Who am I to judge? > > But, yes, we perform our bathing regimen as you described.> > But since we are ortho heavy, we tend to do bathing within> > the first 2 days of admission.> > > > Arley Johnson MS, OTR/L> > Site Manager, Rehabilitation Services, Pennsylvania> > Hospital> > Good Shepherd Penn Partners> > O: 215.829.5018> > P: 215.422.0174> > C: 215.776.4305> > > > > > > > -----Original Message-----> > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]> > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Linda Stovall> > Sent: Tuesday, September 09, 2008 8:44 AM> > To: [email protected]> > Subject: [OTlist] OT's Role in ADL's> > > > I am submitting a change in topic :)> > > > I am an OT with over 25 years of experience. Currently I> > am managing a inpatient rehab unit. Our OT's do a lot> > of dressing and grooming, but have a tendency to not> > participate in bathing of patients until close to discharge.> > They repeatedly state "the patient is not ready for> > that yet". Well, the patient is getting bathed, of> > course, so they ARE ready for that and I think that OT> > should work with nursing on the best way to facilitate the> > patients independence in bathing during the entire stay, not> > just do one bath the day or two before discharge when the> > patient is more independent. > > > > I guess it is a difference in theory that I see bathing as> > a functional task that can be used as treatment for all> > sorts of things (body awareness, balance, following> > directions, motor control, etc) and they feel that they are> > just assessing the level of independence prior to discharge> > and teaching compensation (ie do they need a tub seat or> > bench, etc). > > > > I think the OT should do one bath per patient per> > week....initially working more with nursing, then later more> > independently when the patient gets stronger.> > > > Can any of you tell me about your ADL programs if you work,> > or have ever worked, in an inpatient rehab unit?? 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