So work at not feeling so badly, Ron. Have you never heard the saying
'when all else fails refer to OT'. Because with all our angst about not
being appreciated lots of folks know that OT expertise means we do make
a difference many times when 'the others' were stumped. Sounds like you
were a sacrificial lamb in this case. The fact that you are suffering
because you worry about not helping this woman shows what a good OT you
are.

Special blessings, Joan

-----Original Message-----
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Ron Carson
Sent: October 30, 2008 6:10 PM
To: Joan Riches
Subject: Re: [OTlist] D/C'd Patient For Lack of Goals


Thanks  Joan and Jennifer:

Because the patient is on HH, she is already
receiving  a  plethora of services; everything from social worker, RN,
aide to PT.

You  know  the  question  of  "why"  was never answered, either by the
patient,  her family or myself. When I earlier mentioned mind mapping,
it was because of this patient.

I  think  something  psychiatrically happened to her but she refuse my
suggestion for a psych eval.

One of the things that was even odder and leads me to think that maybe
"I"  was  the problem is that the patient was doing well in PT and she
took  a  bathe  with  the  assistance  of the aide. But, I swear, this
patient  would  NOT  verbalize  wanting to do anything on her own. The
only thing she said, especially in the beginning is that she wanted to
be "normal".

Ron
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Ron Carson MHS, OT

----- Original Message -----
From: Joan Riches <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Thursday, October 30, 2008
To:   [email protected] <[email protected]>
Subj: [OTlist] D/C'd Patient For Lack of Goals

JR> Ron
JR> In a case like this I think that an OT eval may be the most
effective
JR> part of our offering. I am left with the question, "What referrals
have
JR> you offered to this family?" You have gathered valuable information.
JR> This is certainly an extreme case of occupational dysfunction due to
JR> ......what??
JR> If you have read English novels you may have run across similar
JR> descriptions of 'invalid' (emphasis on the first syllable) upper
class
JR> women. It is an interesting brain twig to then put the emphasis on
the
JR> second syllable. Thanks for all the brain twigs now and in the
future.

JR> Joan Riches B.Sc.O.T., OT(C)
JR> Specialist in Cognitive Disability
JR> Riches Consulting
JR> High River, Alberta, Canada
JR> 403 652 7928


JR> -----Original Message-----
JR> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
JR> Behalf Of Ron Carson
JR> Sent: October 30, 2008 7:08 AM
JR> To: [email protected]
JR> Subject: [OTlist] D/C'd Patient For Lack of Goals


JR> Yesterday,  I  d/c'd  a patient because she is unable to verbalize
ANY
JR> OT-related goals. It was a very strange and difficult case and I'm
not
JR> 100%  comfortable  with  the d/c, but it seemed to be the best
choice.
JR> I'm VERY interested to hear others' opinions.

JR> I  evaluated  a patient last week. Without going into a lot of
detail,
JR> the patient has mild arthritis, recently fell and had kyphoplasty.
She
JR> had  been  very  active  until  about  5 years ago when she
"suddenly"
JR> became  very  sedentary. There assorted history and eval findings,
but
JR> this   is  basically  a  women  who  has  disengaged  from  life.
She
JR> essentially lives on her couch and that's about it.

JR> When  I evaled her last week, she was unable to identify ANY OT
goals.
JR> Against, my better judgement, I "made up" a couple goals and
scheduled
JR> her for only two visits.

JR> At  the  end  of  my  second visit, I indicated that I was d/c'ing
the
JR> patient  for lack of goals. The patient was OK with it but the
husband
JR> talked  and  asked  me  to stay on. After a long conversation with
the
JR> patient, one in which I was apparently "mean", the patient agreed
that
JR> she wanted me to come back. So, I signed her up for 5x/week therapy.

JR> On  the  next  visit,  I  was  told that the patient "did not like
me"
JR> because I was mean. I promptly apologized to her, expressed my
concern
JR> and  methods  and asked for forgiveness, which she readily gave.
After
JR> that,  I again started talking about the patient's life and goals.
Her
JR> son  had  mentioned  that  the family had a pet that died and that
was
JR> sort  of  "the  beginning  of  the  end"  for the patient. The son
had
JR> mentioned  possible  pet  ownership  which  I  followed up on, but
the
JR> patient denied wanting it.

JR> I  came  back  two  more times, with each visit focused on
identifying
JR> goals. We did a mini life review but no matter what avenue I took,
the
JR> patient  denied  any  goals.  So,  I  reluctantly told her that in
the
JR> absence  of  goals,  d/c was the only option. She agreed and said
she
JR> was sad because she was "starting to like me".

JR> She  and  I agreed that my time had not been wasted but that
continued
JR> visits would be a waste.

JR> Without  doubt,  this  is  one of the hardest and strangest cases
I've
JR> ever  had. I've never met a person who was so unmotivated and yet
able
JR> to articulate the same.

JR> I  know all the bases are not covered in this message but it
hopefully
JR> provides enough information to peak everyone's interest.

JR> Thanks,

JR> Ron



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