On 21/01/2025 15:02, Ilya Maximets wrote:
> On 1/20/25 16:13, Eelco Chaudron wrote:
>>
>>
>> On 20 Jan 2025, at 14:50, Roi Dayan wrote:
>>
>>> On 20/01/2025 14:57, Eelco Chaudron wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On 15 Jan 2025, at 10:18, Roi Dayan via dev wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Use this instead of directly using dpif_is_netdev() from dpif-netdev.
>>>>> Return true in dpif-netdev.
>>>>
>>>> Not sure if we need an API for this, or maybe I should say, what is the 
>>>> definition
>>>> of userspace? If this means anything but the kernel, we could probably use 
>>>> !dpif_is_netlink().
>>>>
>>>> But I guess, the better question would be, what would we use this call 
>>>> for? If it’s similar
>>>> to the existing use cases, we are probably better off by adding a features 
>>>> API to dpif.
>>>>
>>>> Thoughts?
>>>>
>>>> Cheers,
>>>>
>>>> Eelco
>>>
>>>
>>> Hi,
>>>
>>> The meaning of dpif is a userspace means it needs to handle tunneling and 
>>> other stuff that
>>> kernel dpif doesn't need as the kernel does it for it.
>>> So while !dpif_is_netlink() is even more correct and better than current 
>>> dpif_is_netdev()
>>> there was also a point here that dpif.c is not familiar with a specific 
>>> dpif and not accessing
>>> a specific dpif function.
>>
>> So, this means a lot of potential stuff, so to me a general 
>> dpif_is_userspace() does not make sense.
>>
>>> I think introducing a features API to dpif could be an overkill at this 
>>> point.
>>> So if future dpifs might need something specific other than handled by 
>>> kernel or not I think
>>> this can be done at a later time.
>>
>> It might look like an overkill right now, but the current use cases might 
>> warrant one already.
>> Or are you suggesting to use/introduce !dpif_is_netlink() instead for now?
>>
>>
>> Ilya and other maintainers have any preferences or thoughts on this.
> 
> In general, using either dpif_is_netlink or dpif_is_netdev outside of 
> dpif-netlink
> and dpif-netdev respectively is icky.  And I agree that even today the number 
> of
> uses of these functions outside their modules justifies doing the feature 
> discovery
> properly.  Majority of the cases here in dpif.c are caused by the fact that
> dpif-netdev doesn't validate actions, so it's not possible to probe them.  It 
> may be
> better to introduce some form of action validation in case of probing 
> instead, so
> the features can be discovered normally.
> 
> Best regards, Ilya Maximets.

I think this is out-of-scope for this patch.
In this small commit I just wanted to do the separation from dpif.c knowing
about existing dpifs and accessing them directly and not introducing new layers 
and mechanisem.
Can we continue with this patch currently? a rename to the callback is also 
feasible though I think its saying exactly what it is.

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