On 7 November 2015 at 15:18, Jan Kandziora <j...@gmx.de> wrote:
> Am 07.11.2015 um 10:26 schrieb Colin Law:
>>>
>>> When you connect the ground line to data-, you have a different current
>>> on the common ground/data- line because the ground line also carries the
>>> supply current. So there's no way the receiver can successfully
>>> eliminate line noise. Instead, it picks up supply current noise. It just
>>> doesn't work.
>>
>> Does that argument hold in the case of parasitic power, where the data
>> and common lines do carry the same current?
>>
> Your argument is good as you have two data wires and no ground
> connection in that case. The same when the slave circuits are powered by
> local batteries.
>
> *BUT* this only works when the host ground is *not connected* to earth,
> not even by a noise filter.
> As soon it is, your circuit isn't symetrical
> anymore as one of your two data wires (the "ground") is tighter coupled
> to earth than the other, and subsequently picks up noise more eagerly.
> Which destroys the loop's cancellation effect.

Don't follow that.  We are talking about series mode inductive loop
pickup not common mode (or at least I am).  Provided it is only
earthed at one point (which should be the case for all 1-wire
circuits) I don't see it makes any difference to the series mode
pickup.  I am not an expert in this area by any means though so am
happy to be further educated.

Cheers

Colin

>
> You can try to minimize that effect by mounting your twisted pair
> (again) on a pole and avoid shielding at any cost.
>
>
> Kind regards
>
>         Jan
>
>
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