I too was unhappy with 4.0 but we have to look at the bigger picture. 

I have 40+ actively using OC so I will participate in big finding. 




Richard Burns


On 7 Jun 2012, at 10:14, Frank Karlitschek <[email protected]> wrote:

> Hi Jan,
> 
> I´m sorry that you are not satisfied with the quality of ownCloud 4.0.0
> In fact I´m neither. 
> We have release 4.0.1 with a lot of bugfixes already on monday and we are 
> working on 4.0.2 which is scheduled for next weekend or monday.
> 
> We do a bug hunt session this saturday and you are welcome to participate if 
> you want to help us with reporting bugs and testing.
> 
> 
> Frank
> 
> 
> On 06.06.2012, at 22:59, Jan Niggemann <[email protected]> wrote:
> 
>> Dear developers,
>> 
>> I'd like to point you to some discussions on the owncloud forum.
>> Please read these comments by different users:
>> "I wish to point out my dissatisfaction (....) For me "stable release" = 
>> production mode without blocking bugs" [1]
>> 
>> "We considered buying the enterprise plan of owncloud because it did sound 
>> soooo good. However we wanted to test the community version first and we are 
>> very dissatisfied as well - looking forward to use an other system than 
>> owncloud." [1]
>> 
>> "Sorry, but there were (and still are) a lot of bugs I've posted on the 
>> bugtracker site (and also in the forums and the mailing list). But all of 
>> them have been ignored. One is still alive since v3.0.1 and would be very, 
>> very easy to fix." [2]
>> 
>> "owcloud 4.0.0 was a complete failure ..." [3]
>> "My mistake was to move to 4.0.0 that was official release May 22, 2012.... 
>> today is june 03 and still owncloud still provide the link for 4.0.0" [3]
>> 
>> It was already discussed here if the project should be moved to github. That 
>> would IMHO be a good idea, as the widespread use of the platform would lead 
>> to more contributions in the form of patches and pull requests. But IIRC 
>> someone pointed out that the non-free nature of github didn't match the 
>> ideals of owncloud... :(
>> 
>> I see it this way: Owncloud has a chance to be a killer application for a 
>> lot of people. But poor documentation, (unfixed) bugs and a crappy 4.0 
>> release are already chasing people away, see the comments above. If you 
>> spend a lot of time on the forums you feel the bad mood people are in...
>> 
>> Too may unsatisfied users lead to a fork, a fork splits the developers and 
>> the community, both projects lose their pace, ...
>> None of us users wants that and quite likely the developers don't want that 
>> either.
>> 
>> This mail is not meant to discourage the team, I wish owncloud all the best 
>> and I try to support it as good as my time permits!
>> 
>> But, developers: How do you plan to tackle the problems OC has from your 
>> users point of view?
>> 
>> [1] http://forum.owncloud.org/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=2769
>> [2] http://forum.owncloud.org/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=2742
>> [3] http://forum.owncloud.org/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=2752
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