Hi Frank,
I added an internal issue to consider adding a new setting based on what
you want:
EXM-52156 Outline - Setting to avoid showing text of element on
ancestor element
The purpose of the current behavior is to make it easier to figure out
what text content is inside a certain node hierarchy without the need to
expand nodes. So in this case I know what text is inside the <info>
element's structure without expanding it.
Regards,
Radu
Radu Coravu
Oxygen XML Editor
On 1/9/23 18:47, Frank Dissinger wrote:
Hi Jang,
Just to be sure we are talking about the same thing:
Current behavior:
What I want is this:
I see no point in the current behavior. Why are empty elements marked
as "filled" elements in oXygen?
*@SyncroSoft*
Feature request : Can the current behavior of the Outline view be
changed to show empty elements as empty?
If the current behavior is required (for whichever reason...), I
understand that I'd need to implement DITA contstraints. Can you be
more specific about that? How would I do this with oXygen?
Regards,
Frank
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Am 09.01.2023 um 11:27 schrieb 4everJang:
Hello Frank,
About the last point in your missing features list: the DITA specs
allow plain text as well as block elements like <p> inside an <li>.
If you create constraints that disallow plain text (and inline
elements) in the <li> you should get rid of the extra Text indicators
in oXygen’s author view.
And I do suggest everyone to create constraints before starting to
work with DITA, as the definitions in the so-called standard DITA
packages allows almost everything and is not meant to be a useful
subset of elements for anyone’s specific content domain. The first
step in any useful DITA implementation is defining constraints and
possibly specialisations. I often get the reply from newbie DITA
users that they want to stick with standard DITA. Fact is that
constraints, and even specialisations, do not take you away from the
standard. DITA was intended to be customised, i.e. adapted to your
particular content domain, so that it will become as useful as
possible - without pushing you out of the standard. Any DITA tool
should support constraints and specialisations (as long as you create
them in the defined manner), otherwise they cannot claim to be DITA
compliant at all.
Good luck with the transition from FM to oXygen.
*4everJang*
*Amsterdam, Netherlands*
On 9 Jan 2023, 10:37 +0100, Frank Dissinger
<frank.dissin...@cgs-oris.com>, wrote:
Hi Alan,
Thank you for your reply. I fully agree with what you wrote about
FM's Structure View. An excellent tool.
It would be great if oXygen could enhance its Outline View and make
it work in a similar way. I am especially missing the following
features:
* Allow users to place the cursor between tags, or at the
beginning/end of the element contents, and indicate the position
* Display attributes: Toggle between all/all with a value/none (no
need to waste room on the screen for a separate Attributes window)
* Expand/collapse complete tree of elements or attributes in one
go (Shift-click)
* Element content should not be repeated for empty wrapping
elements, this is confusing (show it only once)
For exmaple, for <li><p>Text..., the "Text" is shown both for
<li> and <p>. It should only be shown for <p>.
Can I add this as feature request?
I have now switched to the oXygen Users Mailing List and will post
any further oXygen-related issues there.
Regards,
Frank
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Am 04.01.2023 um 22:05 schrieb Alan Houser:
Chiming in a bit late here. Longtime structured FrameMaker and
oXygen user...
*Frank mentions the FrameMaker structure view. IMO, this is the
best and most distinctive part of the FrameMaker structured
authoring interface. Easy access to any part of the document.
Expand/collapse at any level of the document hierarchy; locally or
globally (e.g. expand/collapse "this" section; expand/collapse all
sections). Full navigation capabilities. Visual feedback (and
shortcut control) over cursor location -- beginning, middle, or end
of an element. Configurable and interactive attribute display.*
*
*
*While most XML editors provide some sort of outline view, I've
never seen one as full-featured and useful as the FrameMaker
structure view.*
I occasionally use the oXygen Outline View for quick navigation in
larger XML documents. And the "folding" feature in the edit window
to expand/collapse content. But these don't fully replace what one
can do with the FrameMaker structure view.
I think you will find that oXygen provides more and different
features than Structured FrameMaker, many of which you will come to
appreciate. I suggest (as you are doing) learning how to be most
productive with the oXygen features and workflow. And be prepared
to miss the FrameMaker structure view. 🙁
-Alan
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On Dec 8, 2022, at 10:37 AM, Frank Dissinger
<frank.dissin...@cgs-oris.com> wrote:
Thank you,
Chris
Radu
Stefan
Thomas
Yves
for your replies, this valuable information and for offering me
your help.
I have already made some initial progress. I have successfully
created a custom framework with my own CSS file and are getting my
topic editor window panel look more and more the way I like (using
the 'print-ready' display style).
I'll try to dig a bit deeper into this matter and will collect the
questions and issues as I get on with this. I'll then come back to
you.
Best regards,
Frank
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Am 06.12.2022 um 17:42 schrieb Frank Dissinger:
Hi all,
Are there any passionate long-term structured FrameMaker users
who have changed to oXygen as a DITA editor? Has anybody tried to
set up the oXygen authoring environment as close as possible to
FrameMaker's WYSIWYG view? Or at least in a way that makes the
switch as painless as possible for a FrameMaker user?
I've been using FrameMaker V11+DITA-FMx as a DITA editor for many
years -- until recently also as a PDF transformation engine,
which I have now replaced with MiramoPDF. I have used oXygen for
a few years only and mostly as a transformation engine. With FM I
am stuck with an old DITA implementation and the DITA-FMx plug-in
is not developed any further. This is why I would like to use
oXygen as a DITA editor instead. But I find it very hard to make
the switch: The way DITA maps, topics, tags, structures... are
presented is so different and I haven't the time to learn oXygen
properly and in full detail. It's such a powerful tool with tons
of features. So I thought there may be someone who can help me
getting started -- at least with setting up the user interface
and authoring environment.
A few examples of things I am struggling with right away when I
look at how oXygen presents my DITA files:
* It seems that a DITA map loads all the referenced submaps and
displays all of these maps in a single window panel (as if
this was a single file). In FM I see only the references and
open the submaps as separate files by double-clicking on them.
* I feel lost in these maps. There are lots of big fonts,
frames, colored backgrounds, icons... Can I customize the
appearance? For example, by defining CSS-like styles for the
DITA elements displayed on the screen?
* The Outline view is a bit similar to FM's Structure View. But
I am used to setting the cursor into the Structure View to
precisely define the point where to insert an element. This
does not work in oXygen.
* I'd like to see text and images without any tags in one
window panel and the DITA structure with elements and
attributes in a separate panel. I know I can switch off tags
and use the Outline view, but I am not sure if this really
gives me full control over everything...
* How does oXygen visualize conditionalized content
(included/excluded via a ditaval file)?
* Can I define a fixed page size in oXygen? I'd like to set a
page width (height is not important) to make sure that images
fit on the page and that table columns are not too narrow (in
PDF deliverables). Setting an image resolution is also important.
* ...
Regards,
Frank
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