Hi,

As mentioned - debt itself isn't the problem. It's what you do with the money 
that determines whether you are making sounds decisions or not. Many 
individuals and corporations (and governments) make rational decisions to 
borrow money and put that money to purposes that they believe are in their best 
interests - whether it's expanding a business, buying a house or building a new 
road.

I have no idea why you think that more debt automatically means less options. 
It can in some circumstances, but in other cases it gives you more options 
(it's pretty much impossible for most people to buy a house in this country 
without taking on debt, so the debt gives you more options in terms of what you 
can buy). I don't see any direct correlation between debt and lack of options.

Lastly, what Maynard Keynes wrote decades ago still holds true today. When 
there is a deficiency of demand, governments should step in to prevent greater 
loss of income generation. When the economy is running at full capacity, then 
the government should provide a break on the economy (by running surpluses). 
Over the course of the economic cycle, this should all balance out. The 
alternative is the type of decision making (cutting spending to balance 
budgets, leading to even less demand) that lead into the Great Depression - it 
was self-reinforcing economic suicide.

As for spending money for voters - I'm not sure what you think the government 
is there for. It's there to meet the needs of the country (and that includes 
voters). That's what democracy is all about...

Cheers
Ken

From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On 
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"Debt itself isn't a problem", this is garbage

debt does matter, it matters alot

more debt = less options
massive debt = no options
and spending money for the sake of votes is also garbage

i needed to make the correction also
On Sat, Jul 10, 2010 at 2:22 PM, Tony Wright 
<[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:
Ah, naive, and so transparently biased. Labor do have a stack of policies, it's 
just that they're mostly failures.

As opposed to Liberals who actually don't stand for anything other than telling 
us one thing and then implementing the complete opposite.

A neighbour of mine used to say they were blue and bluer - the Liberal party 
representing the rich and sucking in a whole lot of aspirational voters into 
thinking that meant them as well, while Labor is the try-hard party, trying to 
get the rich to like them as well, while still having problems with the unions.

From: [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]> 
[mailto:[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>] On 
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"Liberals actually have 2 whole policies now I believe."

Well that would be 2 more than Labor, lets face it, they just have a long line 
of disasters/failures/wasted many many billions and debt your great great grand 
children will still be paying off ;)

But if I think you follow politics a bit more closely they have a few more 
positions/policies than 2
On Sat, Jul 10, 2010 at 12:21 PM, Ian Thomas 
<[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:
'Tweedledum and Tweedledee 1,2,3,3' - The Albert Langer Story
http://www.aph.gov.au/library/pubs/CIB/1995-96/96cib14.htm

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Ian Thomas
Victoria Park, Western Australia

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From: [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]> 
[mailto:[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>] On 
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Greg

I'm not sure if you remember Albert Langer (decades ago, in Victoria), but he 
was gaoled for a short time for infringing the electoral act by forming a 
political party called Tweedle Dum & Tweedle Dee which encouraged people not to 
vote.



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Ian Thomas

Victoria Park, Western Australia


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