Hi Les,

A forum you might find useful: http://geekhack.org/. They have sub-forums 
(under keyboards) dedicated to ergonomic designs & alternative layouts. 

I haven't gone down the ergonomic path beyond trying my friend's trackball 
(Logitech Trackman Marble). That particular one felt like it was missing 
something with no scrollwheel. I do like the look of the Logitech M570 you 
linked.

Regards,
Victor



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From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto:ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com] On 
Behalf Of Les Hughes
Sent: Wednesday, 6 July 2011 9:52 PM
To: ozDotNet
Subject: Keyboard & Mouse Ergonomics + Qwerty/Dvorak/Colemak


Hey All,

This is kind of long (eeep), but here goes:

Lately I've have been getting a little tense in my mid-right back area and 
right wrist which I believe is been caused by a lot of the mouse work I've been 
doing over the past few weeks in which my right arm is constantly extended out 
around 30-40 centimetres from the home position on the keyboard.

I thought here would be a good place to ask for advice in how everyone else, 
whom, like me, spends upwards of 60 hours per week behind their battlestations. 
(check: http://www.reddit.com/r/battlestations for info on 'battlestations')

The main areas I am currently looking at are Keyboards, Mice, and Keyboard 
Layouts.


Keyboards
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I currently use a Microsoft Ergonomic 4000 Keyboard ( 
http://www.microsoft.com/australia/hardware/mouseandkeyboard/images/products/nek4k/mk_productdetails_nek4k.jpg
 
) and am starting to think that the space between the right control key 
(below the right shift and enter keys) where the arrow buttons and 
numeric pad are just get in the way.

So far I am thinking about moving to a smaller keyboard to limit the 
space I need to move for the mouse, ideas so far are the

- Truly Ergonomic keyboard @ 
http://www.trulyergonomic.com/images/Truly_Ergonomic_Keyboard.jpg & 
http://www.trulyergonomic.com )

- Kinesis Freestlye VIP @ 
http://www.kinesis-ergo.com/images/freestyle-vip_648x339.jpg - 
http://www.kinesis-ergo.com


Mouses - mice, mices :P
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I am leaning towards a trackball, but have also considered something 
more vertical:

- Kensington Expert Trackball @ 
http://www.smartmadesimple.com.au/Products/images/Zoom/z64325%20Expert%20Mouse.jpg
 
(favourite so far)

- Logitec M570 @ 
http://www.logitech.com/assets/32954/4/logitech-wireless-trackball-m570.png

- EZ Vertical Mouse @ http://www.auzspec.com.au/media/274270427lMSEZ1L.jpg


Keyboard Layouts
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Perhaps a religious battle, but:

I was thinking if I am going to go along the whole self improvement 
route with better devices, why not visit my keyboard layouts? Most of us 
use QWERTY: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/QWERTY

Much of my reading seems to point towards qwerty being a terrible 
layout, and something that should have died with the typewriter (it's 
keylayout is meant to slow you down, and has more to do with stopping 
those thingies on the typewriter from getting stuck together... those 
who have used typewriters will know what I mean)

Besides QWERTY, there are a few others that seem to be gaining traction, 
they are:

DVORAK: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Keyboard_layout#Dvorak

Colemak: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Keyboard_layout#Colemak

Colemak so far looks the most appealing to me if I were to change, 
http://colemak.com/ has a good explanation of the keyboard, but seems to 
be down right now :/


The questions:
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- Has anyone gone down the ergonomic path, and what did end up doing?

- Are there any recommended keyboard/mouse combinations that you think 
are worthwhile?

- Does anyone think a smaller kayboard is better development with a 
numeric pad on the left or a USB external one?

- Trackballs: yay or nay?

- Has anyone changed their keyboard layout, and if so, would you 
recommend it?

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Hopefully this isn't too early for the week (not friday), but I'd be 
really interested in any feedback anyone has.

Thanks heaps :)
--
Les Hughes
l...@datarev.com.au

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