Ken Schaefer wrote:

Did you read the link I posted to the economic definition of a "natural 
monopoly"? Sometimes it helps to draw upon the knowledge of others.
It does, and it helps to understand the difference between real barriers and artificial barriers, and even understand that there are real examples of multiple companies running their own side-by-side infrastructure.
Most distribution networks are natural monopolies - especially the "last mile" - fixed line telephony, electricity distribution, water and sewerage pipes, local roads, railway lines etc. The market is a fixed size, and a new entrant entering the market simply divides the market in half, yet still has to expend a huge amount of capital duplicating an existing distribution network.
The internet isn't the same as sewage pipes. Even with your examples, local roads are local councils, so even if fixed-line internet was a monopoly, stating that the solution is a national level network owned by the government is is really an arbitrary decision unless you are trying to claim that scales of economy will work better the national level (hint: they won't).
Sometimes, between major centres of distribution it might be economic to duplicate 
infrastructure (e.g. fibre network between Sydney and Melbourne), but this becomes less 
and less financially viable the smaller the customer based (i.e. down to the "last 
mile"
If this is the case, then why has government had to explicitly ban competition? If this is the case, why have independent businesses ran their own infrastructure in new estates?
It doesn't really matter that Telstra/Telecom was a government monopoly when it built the fixed line network.
Except that it does.
Show me one other modern economy that has multiple fixed line phone companies 
competing side-by-side for the same broad customer base. They don’t exist for a 
good economic reasons.
"Modern Economy": Can you explain what this is for me? It just seems like other empty term.

Regardless, there are two easy examples, I am sure there are more:
- Australia: Telstra and Optus!? I have three different sets of cables that go past my house! - The United States: When I lived in DC we had a few different cables that ran past my place.

Does this mean that every house has competition? No. But as I said, via comparative pricing you still get a mechanism to see if gouging is taking place and what a fair price might be, this makes it easier for grievance to be filed with the government/ACCC/etc as there is solid evidence of pricing in areas with competition. Just because some areas will have a monopoly is a terrible justification to say that we should have a monopoly everywher

The argument "because private monopoly" in arguing for a total government monopoly also totally ignores history where it's shown that government will sell of the network eventually to fill a deficit/help their crony buddies/etc. If this is the case, in arguing for a government monopoly in all areas over a private monopoly in some areas, you will end up with a private monopoly in all areas.

As I said about the economic reasons in Australia, it's not the cost of labour or the equipment, but the cost of the regulation, and the fact that the government gave Telstra a monopoly over public land with their own cables.

Let's say government owned the pits, and allowed 10 providers to run their own cable at a cost of say $10 per residence per year and then got out of the way, I believe in some areas you will have several providers, and if one provider is the only fibre provider in one area and have high prices, there is an incentive for competition to enter. The copper network (which the government want to, but shouldn't shutdown) also provides a good mechanism for pricing.

Let's say some areas do not want an upgrade (there isn't the demand) and they are happy with copper, then what does that tell you? (Think back to intro econ). Just because government gives them a "free gift" that they actually pay for is the same as stealing someone's wallet and buying them a new car that they didn't want, how is it different with broadband?

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Les Hughes
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