The minimum return expected on the NBN would be A$105 billion dollars and the 
maximum would be A$237 billion dollars. I don’t see anything wrong with giving 
a range. The point is that even if the cost of the NBN blows out, we still make 
money and we still get all the economic activity, jobs, money etc.

 

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Behalf Of David Connors
Sent: Wednesday, 4 September 2013 2:22 PM
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Subject: Re: [OT] NBN revisited

 

On Wed, Sep 4, 2013 at 1:11 PM, Tony Wright <[email protected] 
<mailto:[email protected]> > wrote:

I still haven’t heard anything from you that convinces me David.

 

I doubt there is anything I can say that would convince you.

 

The NBN is likely to bring in A$105 billion dollars to A$237 billion dollars. 
That’s a lot of economic activity. A lot of business. A lot of jobs. Even if it 
breaks even we will be ahead.

 

I think you most definitely fit into:

1) They come infected with the limited thinking aligned with their business

100-230 billion is a hell of an error bar in an estimate. 

 

I'm not sure how whether people have GPON at home or not affects any of the 
work I do or is in any way aligned or not with any of my businesses. 

Japan already have 2Gbps. The US have large areas with 1Gbps now. And you are 
proposing 100Mbps? As a limit? Theoretical maximum for copper is around the 
1Gbps mark, and they are only advertising download speeds, not upload. The rest 
of the developed world are moving to 10Gbps.

 

[ ... ]

 

Trent from Punchy might want 10gbps but he is not going to make massive strides 
in GDP with it. He'll download porn and watch the F1. Mayyyyte. 

 

HFC can do 100mbps now, can go up to 300-400mbps. My question is why pull this 
out and replace it with something more expensive that does the same thing. 

And that’s supposed to mean us in IT.  Yet the antique thinking from some in 
our own industry is astounding.

I try to plumb new depths of ignorance whenever I can. 

 

I just wish I knew how much data you can keep in flight on a 10gbps resi-grade 
fibre service to know what the real world performance would be like after 
building the NBN. 

 

David. 

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