It’s actually a really topical discussion for me at present. A while back, I had a friend who noted that he loved seeing people who’d built a lifetime technical career.
I’ve been building a new site, a video podcast, etc. for “Tech Career for Life”. For the podcasts, I’m keen to have a number of people who’ve been in the industry for a long time, to talk about what they did, what they think is important for building a long-term successful career in tech, and the advice they wish they’d had early on, that might help someone starting out today, or who’s in a rut. I’ve got a few shows pre-recorded with some interesting people. So, if a few of you are interested in being featured in the video podcasts, little reply me to let me know, and we’ll work out a plan. I’d like to make it a useful resource. Regards, Greg Dr Greg Low 1300SQLSQL (1300 775 775) office | +61 419201410 mobile SQL Down Under | Web: https://sqldownunder.com<https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__sqldownunder.com_&d=DwMFAg&c=euGZstcaTDllvimEN8b7jXrwqOf-v5A_CdpgnVfiiMM&r=2rgtwrXggQFZiZbisdwDooYFalucb-vLhjG0McaanBZKn0UVuognuHqfHnjp2AVc&m=I23jyX4AKIv9q2x7A3CQAer9PGCjq8R6DwW7BE1IAhZ1JbigKMrMPRCjs6AqW7h3&s=o3oFliHztOF8D9Nbqaa7KQdqC-zkQNXWl4IqnEG58Wc&e=> | About Greg: https://about.me/greg.low<https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__about.me_greg.low&d=DwMFAg&c=euGZstcaTDllvimEN8b7jXrwqOf-v5A_CdpgnVfiiMM&r=2rgtwrXggQFZiZbisdwDooYFalucb-vLhjG0McaanBZKn0UVuognuHqfHnjp2AVc&m=I23jyX4AKIv9q2x7A3CQAer9PGCjq8R6DwW7BE1IAhZ1JbigKMrMPRCjs6AqW7h3&s=NsAibgiqfCxsyc8m2DBKogKQcs3OqE3mkyCjmpoYxTk&e=> From: Preet Sangha via ozdotnet <ozdotnet@ozdotnet.com> Sent: Monday, 7 October 2024 9:11 PM To: ozDotNet <ozdotnet@ozdotnet.com> Cc: Greg Keogh <gfke...@gmail.com>; Preet Sangha <preetsan...@gmail.com> Subject: Re: Approaching obsolescence Interesting reading this thread. I learned to code in 78 and have been doing this as a pro for nearly 40 years. I'm really sorry you're burning out mate. Me? I feel completely the opposite. So many new things to learn. So many new people to work with. So many interesting problems to solve that I would never have thought about. Computers and software still fill me with wonder and awe despite me never having touched an assembler in 30 years. Or perhaps it's because I took a decision decades ago that I hated ui work. So much effort for so little reward. I don't know. But I feel more charged these days than I ever was when I was doing grunt programming, scouring books and obscure documents to solve problems. Also I'm sure the new ai tools we're getting are making a massive positive difference to me feeling this way. I hope the change will bring the joy of making things back to you Greg. All over YouTube, I follow creators who've moved on from software to making things out of real materials. Perhaps that's where we all go one day. Preet On Mon, 7 Oct 2024, 21:18 Scott via ozdotnet, <ozdotnet@ozdotnet.com<mailto:ozdotnet@ozdotnet.com>> wrote: Here me out .. I have this new idea .. we take a declarative language like xml and mix it inline with an ecma style language .. to build ui Nobody’s done this before … righ … Greg +1 on your points sadly the industry often ignores the past to make the new all over again with less If I knew what I now know today I would have worked 100x harder on wpf and Silverlight vision Today I work mostly with c++ and its full circle for me --- Regards, Scott Barnes On Mon, 7 Oct 2024 at 11:10 AM, Greg Keogh via ozdotnet <ozdotnet@ozdotnet.com<mailto:ozdotnet@ozdotnet.com>> wrote: Hello everyone, it's not Friday, but I have an announcement and tale that might interest you. I’m easing into retirement. Companies I’ve been working for are being sold, retired or are no longer developing new software. Running out of legacy work would drive a regular dev to seek new work, but in my case, I declined to create a LinkedIn page, or send out feelers through contacts for new work, because… I’m burnt out. Why? I learned to code in 1975 and became an official programmer in 1981. I wrote FORTRAN, ALGOL, COBOL, assemblers and various JCLs and scripting languages on Honeywell, FACOM and IBM mainframes. Things were simpler back then of course because you moved inside the ecosystem of a particular manufacturer and had high-level support and voluminous and accurate documentation. If you wanted to solve a problem or do something edgy, then an answer was nearby. It was a different simpler world, but … everything worked. Now, well into the 21st century of IT, everything doesn’t work. My wife often hears me shout from the other end of the house “Everything f***ing doesn’t work”. I also only semi-jokingly say I’ll have these words carved into my gravestone: “Everything f***ing doesn’t work all the f***ing time”. Overall, what has burnt me out is complexity and instability. I’ll break those topics down a bit. Everything in modern IT is complicated and fragile. Every new toolkit, platform, pattern, library, package, upgrade, etc is unlikely to install and work first time. I seem to spend more time getting things working and updated than I do actually writing software. In a typical working month I might have to juggle Windows, Linux, Android, iOS, macOS, Google, Amazon, Azure, .NET, Python, PowerShell and C++, and they all have different styles and cultures. Software engineering has fractured into so many overlapping pieces that I’m tired of trying to maintain competence in them all. That leads naturally to the problem of dependencies. Just having so many moving parts with so many different versions available produces dependencies more complex than abstract algebra. How many times have you hit some kind of compile or runtime version conflict and spent hours trying to dig your way out of it? (A special salute to Mr Newtonsoft there!) Or you install A, but it needs B, which needs C, and so on. I often hit incomprehensible blocker problems for which web searches produce absurd and conflicting suggestions which don’t work anyway. All I can do is futz around and change things randomly until things work again. I don’t know what went wrong and I don’t know what went right. The Web -- Browsers, HTML, CSS, JavaScript, the HTTP protocol, JSON and REST can all burn for eternity in fusing hellfire. About ten years ago I told my customers I refused to write any more web UI apps. However, I was forced to do so a few times and I’m still scarred by the horror. It’s just over 30 years since the web became public and we’re still attempting to render serious business apps using dumb HTML. HTML5 is the joke of the century (so far). I still lament the loss of Silverlight. Git -- Someone is lucky I don’t own a gun. Fads -- An exercise for the reader: name all the platforms, kits, patterns and frameworks that you know were once the coolest thing and now might only be found in history articles. An advanced exercise is to speculate on which currently cool things will be gone soon. Finally, here is a list of typical things that give me the shits, just as they pop out of my head. * Attempting to compile projects that have been idle for a year or more will usually fail due to changed dependencies or deprecations and it can take hours to get them going again. * I develop and test something with great care, then deploy it and it crashes. This is part of the general “it works on my machine” disease. * I can stop successful work on Friday night, then resume on Monday morning and everything utterly fails. * My USB microscope and music recording both stopped working recently, and it took me a week to discover that it was a block by Windows 11 app security (I thought it was a hardware or incompatibility problem due to lack of clear error messages). * Security! Walls, barriers and hurdles of security everywhere to crash through. Yes, I know we need security everywhere to stop the black hats, but it’s also stopping developers. Lord knows how many times I’ve hit run or debug on my own PC and I get “Access denied” and hours of research will be required. I’m also fed-up with ceaseless 2FA requests via email or SMS. * Everything about mobile devices. The ludicrous variety of devices and brands makes app development a nightmare. Then you must struggle through the variety of labyrinthine publishing processes. * My final entry is simply the tiny “thousand cuts” that torture you during development: version mismatches, inconsistent behaviour, strange errors, editor quirks, missing files, etc. All the little personal problems that slip between the cracks of bigger issues I’ve previously mentioned. Your mileage may vary. In summary, being a software engineer is now so exhausting that after 40+ years of a generally enjoyable career immersed in programming and computer science I’ve reached a point I never thought would arrive… I’m burnt out. Even working on my hobby projects has become a burden because they suffer from many of the impediments previously mentioned. I still plan to attend some upcoming conventions and Meetups, and I’ll be watching the forum, but my posts will diminish because I’m probably out trying to prevent the garden and house from disintegrating back into the earth from whence they came. 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