----- Original Message -----
From: "Marie O'Connor" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "Samuel Weinstein" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Cc: "Francoise Bardes" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Wednesday, August 15, 2001 7:23 PM
Subject: Re: Urgent Midwiferey fabout to be banned


> Hi Sam and Seydel
>
> I am copying this email to France where midwives also face insurance
> problems. Hope you don't mind - it's time effective.
>
> I got a legal opinion from my legal advisor, Ann Kelly's lawyer, an expert
> on  midwifery matters, for you. Colm MacGeehin tells me:
>
> An insurance company cannot arbitrarily withdraw cover from home birth
> midwives arbitrarily without substantiating their reasons for doing so.
>
> You (whoever) need to get a letter to them immediately asking them what
> grounds they are relying on for their claim (a) that midwives are "too
high risk" and (b) that there are "not enough premiums".
>
> Insurance companies can be compelled to provide cover.  You need to put
the matter to arbitration if possible - it's cheaper than going to court.  Go
to the Financial Institutions (or Insurance) Ombudsman. Part of his job is to
> ensure fairness, and to end discrimination.
>
> You can anticipate what the insurer might say in reply on the subject of
> "risk" to some extent. They will probably quote that dreadful Australian
> study by Hilda Bastian on home birth. You need to out-expert them on this
> one. Find some leading Australian sociologist who is prepared to do a
public demolition job on it for you, and who will appear before an arbitration
> panel if necessary.
>
> Demolishing the Bastian study is not difficult - it was deeply flawed in
its methodology, which is why you need a sociologist, preferably with a good
> background in quantitative research, to critique it properly.
>
> You will also need to find another leading midwifery
> academic/analyst/researcher to amass the mounting evidence on the safety
of home birth - to prove that it is as safe, or safer, than hospital birth.
> This person should preferably be attached to some prestiguous institution
> like a university if possible. A MIDIRS or other database search will be
> needed.
>
> All of this will help to demolish the insurer's case when it goes to
> arbitration. The better proofs you have, the better your chances of
success.
>
> As for the argument on premiums, Colm says that midwives are professional
> providers in maternity care, like obstetricians. The numbers of
> obstetricians in Ireland, for example, is less than 100. Despite the huge
> number of claims against them, they are still being covered.
>
> An insurance company cannot refuse to provide cover on the basis that the
> numbers to be covered are too low. The insurers that insure the maternity
> industry should also cover home birth midwives.  Home birth midwives are
> doing the same work as hospital midwives and hospital obstetricians in
many respects. Why should obstetric insurers, or midwifery insurers, not also
> cover the small number of midwives that work in the comunity, Colm asks.
>
> All workers have a right to be insured. What about deep-sea divers, to
take one  example of an unusual occupation (not without risk), in which the
> numbers are small? They are insured by marine insurers.
>
> An insurer might possibly refuse life cover to a person smoking 60
> cigarettes a day, or indemnity to a person who had had a large number of
> claims successfully brought against them. But not one claim has been taken
> against a home birth midwife. This makes the insurer's case even more
> unreasonable. There is no rational or reasonable basis, he says, for the
> insurer's decision. It is discriminatory.
>
> He believes the Ombudsman, and ultimately the Australian Supreme Court,
will uphold midwives' right to be insured.
>
> Can you email me the midwives' contact emails, especially Teresa's,
Nicki's, Kathleen's and Denises' ASAP?  I want to touch base with them before next

> Sunday, as I'm going away for 2 weeks, and I'm doing some stuff on quality
> assurance and would like their help. I left the Freemantle Midwifery
Program Report in your house by mistake, and I really want to get another copy. .
> Only by globalising will midwifery survive ....
>
> Please forward this email to midwives and activists directly.  This
problem is so acute it will take an awful lot of collective energy  to move it
> forward quickly.
>
> Good luck and stay in touch.
> Marie
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Samuel Weinstein" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: "Marie O'Connor" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Sent: Wednesday, August 15, 2001 3:07 AM
> Subject: Urgent Midwiferey fabout to be banned
>
>
> Dearest Marie Im so glad you have emailed us.Everytime I have emailed you
> it always comes back that no such adress was found and I have tried to
send
> messages and replyies to you many times.Hopefully this time your adress
> will take.
>   Sydel and I and Sanche-Zev are well and the Centre grows.
>        More friendly stuff another time Now for something much more
> serious.
> You are of course familiar with our headway here we have a community
> midwife program that is fully funded and covers the whole community.We
> birthing rights at several hospitals and the Birth Centre and we have
> private midwives for those wanting to stay outside the boundaries of our
> community program. Our stats are great and we have never had a lawsuit.
>     Marie this may all end at the end of August unless an answer is found.
> The guild insurance company that covers all of our midwives has canceled
> there insurance with the reason given they are too high risk and not
enough
> premiums.They have not been able to find any other company to cover them.
> the Govt may step in to cover those on the program but hey will then
define
> the guidlines and this does nothing to help the independent midwives who
> work outside of the program.We are all working night and day to find a
> solution but so far none has come and the deadline is very close.It is
> rumored the Obs are behind it by pressuing the insurance company to do
> this. we will lose the program,hospital birthing rights and the rights of
> women to choose to birht at home and we fear tragedy with some couples
> trying to go on there own.We need advice-- a big probono solicitor -- and
> insurance companies that are midwife friendly. We also need to know what
> others are doing at this level.
> We hope you can help. We may even need lots of famous names to come out
and
> rally for us or make this world news and get it on the international news
> so they feel more pressure here.
> Sam Weinstein  Sydel Weinstein
> Directors
> Family Nurturing Centre (& Transformational Yoga Institute)
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>
>

Philomena Canning, RN, RM, MSc.
Community Midwife
European Institute of Midwifery
86 Loreto Avenue
Rathfarnham
Dublin 14
Ireland
Tel. +353-1-4951902
Mobile 087-2900017
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