Dear Justine I think this is an example of why our message does not penetrate if their advisors are not Drs then they have been influenced by them like the women who sign up for social C/S's. That is why as well as trying to put an alternative message accross to the polies, bureacrats etc we need to not stop raising general awareness and the profile of midwifery care. But it is extra frustrating when the polies kick the cost of health care but will not take a hold of a more cost effecient re-organisation of health care. For example nurse practitioners and other non MD practitioners have the same problem as midwives and their advocates! Denise----- Original Message ----- From: "Justine Caines" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "OzMid List" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Friday, October 12, 2001 9:02 PM Subject: Re: Political Action is Imperative NOW!!!
> Dear Denise > > In our discussions COST is what we flog and flog and flog. I am concerned > that even the cost stuff doesn't get through their thick heads! We prepared > a rough cost paper for the ACT Gov and the Chief Medical officer of ACT > Health said "their are not significant cost savings in m/wife only care!" > Surprise Surprise he's an Obstetrician. We set him VERY straight so much so > he had nothing to come back with (on many issues by the way). We intend to > keep plugging away but I am so aware of the power of the AMA. Don't worry I > believe we will get there. > > If Jenny Macklin is true to her words (on hansard about the increased > medicare rebate to Ob's for complicated vaginal deliveries) then she will > actively promote the most appropriate and cost effective care.... > > Good luck with NMAA (ABA) I wrote a feature on the importance of > doula/midwife support on birth and thereafter. I was very careful not to be > a rampant homebirther and kept to the topic and naturally incorporated > successful breastfeeding post 12 months and it was cut to hell, so much so > it didn't make sense! I got an e-mail apology from the Ed who agreed with > me but that did little to inform the many thousands of women out there of > the love and support a midwife provides. If you have contacts in the higher > echelons then GO FOR IT. I find them so very scared to even broach the > birth related issues. I totally agree that consumers will win this war and > from our local (ACT) perspective our (Maternity Coalition) info nights are > certainly helping to inform and build our consumer numbers. > > In birthing solidarity > > Justine Caines > > > > > From: "Denise Hynd" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > Date: Fri, 12 Oct 2001 08:57:12 +0800 > > To: "Justine Caines" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > Cc: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > Subject: Re: Political Action is Imperative NOW!!! > > > > Dear Justine > > Thank you for the reposting of the message I must have missed when > > interstate?? > > I am aware Labor will not make it (midwifery access) an election issue and > > this probably has got AMA implications BUT EVEN MORE IMPROTANTLY > > Supportive MP's will tell you OUR ISSUE(S) do not rate with electors when > > they are polled /canvassed!!! > > > > Health and the costs/access does in general terms and it is part of this > > package that we can get a look in when Labor is in government. > > > > BUT WE NEED TO MOBILSE CONSUMERS > > have THEM even more than us TALK/write TO THE POLIES, inform women's groups > > to get on the demand trail. > > For example it would such a boost if we could get ABA (NMAA) to nationally > > acknowledge that the birth impacts on the breastfeeding expereince and > > research shows that women who have continuous midwifery care have the best > > breastfeeding (and Other ) outcomes!! > > > > Denise > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Justine Caines" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > To: "OzMid List" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > Sent: Thursday, October 11, 2001 3:15 PM > > Subject: Re: Political Action is Imperative NOW!!! > > > > > >> > >> Hi Denise > >> > >> I am attaching an old message (so the list is up to date on what's been > >> going on federally, sorry to some individuals who have already seen it) I > >> agree with asking for specifics not just acknowledgement of a model of > > care > >> etc. I do think there is still a LOT of work to do with Labor, Jenny > >> Macklin certainly wasn't interested in making it an election issue (even > >> though it would make great in roads to curtain the outrageous rates of > >> intervention and there associated costs). I know Carmen Lawrence is > >> supportive but in the event of a fed Labor Gov we will still have to push > >> hard - they are still so scared of rocking the AMA boat!!! I think the > >> national body (that Barb Vernon suggests) is imperative for the on going > >> campaign and esp direct lobbying. > >> > >> Anyway the old message follows FYI. The group was represented by > >> Maternity Coalition > >> ACMI > >> Homebirth Access Sydney > >> and Sally Tracy as our amazing "brain" or 'nerd' - in her words!!! > >> > >> Justine Caines > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> _____________________________________________ > >> > >> Yesterday we (26 September) (Barb Vernon, myself, Emma Baldock ,Sally > > Tracy > >> and Kate Mc Maugh) met with Meg Lees, Jenny Macklin and advisers for both > >> Amanda Vanstone and Michael Wooldridge. Barb will no doubt also give you > > a > >> perspective on things but here's mine for what it's worth!! > >> > >> Lees was great (I know we already know she's converted) but she took it a > >> step further. She plans to visit WA, we have forwarded on Tracy's details > >> to her and she got me to write a question for her for question time today! > >> She has a contact in ACT Health and was quite interested in our > > developments > >> there. We are still plugging away with the ACT (more behind the scenes) > > as > >> we still have until 20 Oct before the election. > >> > >> Macklin was poker faced and revealed very little than a general support of > >> midwifery and assistance 'where they could', she is unable to "do anything > >> before the election". I believe she saw us out of duty as we are a > > consumer > >> org. > >> > >> Vanstone's and Wooldridge's adviser gave us a run for our money!! They > >> showed little understanding (who's surprised) about the amazing amount of > >> work that has gone before us. Astoundingly when we metioned the > > ultrasound > >> budget in relation to antenatal care they replied with "If you can present > >> an argument for cost saving in ultrasound I am sure health ministers would > >> like to see it" -DER did they forget that's about the only thing Rocking > > the > >> Cradle did. > >> > >> They want a succint 3 page paper on our ideas for a solution to the lack > > of > >> midwifery care in this country (in our own words -how condescending). > > Sally > >> T is helping us on this (phew!!). The lack of a health focus for the Gov > > is > >> a bit of a worry both Wooldridge and Tambling (Parl Health Sec) are not > >> re-standing so Wooldridge's office are linking us up with a Comm Health > >> Bureaucrat (which won't go astray). We plan to meet with Vanstone's > > office > >> again and will push the status of women stuff. > >> > >> We will circulate the paper widely ( may as well hey) and continue to push > >> on. If we get a Labor Gov in the ACT (election Oct 20) we may have a real > >> chance in effecting change. Will keep you all posted. > >> > >> Yours in the struggle (and yes I feel a bit like that today) > >> > >> Justine Caines > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> -- > >> This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. > >> Visit <http://www.acegraphics.com.au> to subscribe or unsubscribe. > > > > -- > > This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. > > Visit <http://www.acegraphics.com.au> to subscribe or unsubscribe. > > > > -- > This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. > Visit <http://www.acegraphics.com.au> to subscribe or unsubscribe. -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit <http://www.acegraphics.com.au> to subscribe or unsubscribe.
