Hi Karen
 I would love to know of any support for this -I have 5 kids and a hubby who has been treated for major depression since last sept, with no signs of an imminent return to work.
 
I am not personally depressed  (in fact I am elated -my next book is "in the can" - 100 Ways to Calm the Crying" and Sheila Kitzinger has written a glowing foreword)-I tend to throw myself into my work , mostly at night, very late
 
stressed/ frustrated/ grief stricken (plain old p' ed off) could be a good description some days though.
 
Perhaps I am reasonably "lucky" -I have lived with family members with mental illness since I was a child so have no "expectations" - there is no worse emotion than disappointment.
 
 There really is bugger all help or support and because depression is such an awfully invisible illness it is really a disenfranchised grief -that you have 'lost' the partner/ person/ lifestyle (financially and socially) that you used to have. It is hard on every family member -kids lives change enormously and often they act out just when you are at the end of your own reserves.
 
There are organisations such as ARAFEMI - but unless you can "get in there" for counselling there isnt much support -in crisis you often cant leave the sick person and because you are the family "glue" you dont have time for such luxuries.
 
When my own husband was critical I called many services for counselling - just so I had somewhere to vent and wouldnt let my tension build up, and also for counselling for my youngest child (not many 9 year olds have seen 3 dead people -we had 3 deaths of (my) close family members within 3 months as well as a sick husband)
 Everywhere has at least a three month waiting list - talk about needing to complain about health services!! 
 Online there is a US site I have linked to on my website - they offer online counselling - www.mentalhealth.com
 
This isnt the same as a chat site but they may have links -I havent had time to chat and -I dont want to "wallow in it" and have pretty much given up hoping to be "understood" - I am too busy trying to be the "bread winner".
 If you are asking this for a friend -practical help (a meal or some ironing/ an invitation for one of the kids to go out/play/ get away from the 'sadness" ) is the greatest gift you could give - there are no cards or casseroles for mental illness, and even family members stay away possibly because they dont know how to talk to the sick person - if it is for yourself, Hang in there - it doesnt necessarily get better soon. Be as kind to yourself as you are to your kids and partner, and allow yourself to consciously mourn your losses and talk openly -this is the only way we will ever remove the stigma. 
 
I am happy for a thread to start on my site if there is nothing else -it would be interesting to see how much support is out there -after all depression is a damn common illness.
Pinky
 
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Sent: Wednesday, May 01, 2002 12:51 PM
Subject: Support sites

Hi!
 
Does anyone know of some good chat sites that provide support and friendship to parents, women experiencing depression, desperation etc (not necessarily PND) because of their stressful situation eg. 5-6 kids, heavy debts, hubby in bed with depression?
 
I would appreciate any suggestions.  Thank you in advance.
 
Karen
 
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