I agree with you that we should control the collection of data as this can be very helpful, I would include in this the collection of data that we don't currently need as it can often be useful in the future for research evidence collecting etc. It must however, not replace the descriptive written word in the notes from the midwife and we do not need to repeat ourselves on database and in the notes apart from the data we wish to collect when the computer systems are obviously such a help.
Christine Quoting Rosalee Shaw <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > you ask why I feel that midwives need to control our own data. > > For a good example- > in the 1920's california redesigned their birth registration form. It allowed > the medical officer, or in the abscence of the medical officer one of the > parents, to register the birth. > That meant births attended by midwives were recorded among births with no > attendant. Simple as that. > The flow on was that national figures needed to conform to the "minimum data > set" so all births in other states could only be grouped as medical or no > attendant. > and that meant............... > when midwifery was arguing about its right to legally practice in terms of > numbers, safety etc, there was no data - it was all combined with untrained > attendants, no attendant, births by the side of the road etc, etc. > > another example ;- a couple of years ago the MDC data form "lost" the > mother's insurance field. That would have meant that no outcomes for privatly > insured women - and their obstetricans - would be publicly available. Thank > God midwives noticed and spoke up! > > regards > rosalee > > >>> [EMAIL PROTECTED] 10/01/02 06:09PM >>> > "Any history of midwifery will throw light on the damage done to the > profession by its attitude that "some-one-else" could mess with data - > some-one like doctors or beaurocrats. " > > Rosalee, is this a negative or a postive thing you are saying? I'm not sure > I comprehend ( although after a long, long day, I'm not sure I comprehend > anything except my wine glass!) > > are you saying that there was some anxiety that others-not-midwives would > fiddle with the data on Obstet when it was developed? Or is it that they > already did ( do) anyway and Obstet is supposed to alleviate that imbalance > by providing us with our own data? > > Robin > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Rosalee Shaw" < [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > To: < [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Sent: Tuesday, October 01, 2002 5:14 PM > Subject: [ozmidwifery] Midwives & computer databases > > > Midwives were well represented on the consortium which developed OBSTET, and > > they continue to be involved with it - any if any of them are on this list > they might tell you who they are. > > It was designed by midwives, and intended to give midwives control of their > own data, and yes, I mean the ones with the women ! > > Any history of midwifery will throw light on the damage done to the > profession by its attitude that "some-one-else" could mess with data - > some-one like doctors or beaurocrats. > > The future of midwifery is in our data, and we should control it ! > > Regards > Rosalee > > >>> [EMAIL PROTECTED] 10/01/02 03:06PM >>> > Robin, > > Were any midwives involved in planning, designing and implementing the > software? By midwives, I mean the ones with the women. > > Penny B. > > On 30/9/02 8:16 PM, "Robin Moon" < [EMAIL PROTECTED] > wrote: > > > NO, the OBSTET data base does not take the place of notes and paper.... > > unfortunately. > > Whilst it is great for generating data in an orderly and easy fashion, it > is > > VERY time consuming. Particularly in a labour ward.It is great however for > > > pulling stats when needed to back up one's arguments with medical staff > > etc..... But I say, Roll on OBSTET Mark 2 cos this one is wearing thin.... > > > > > Whilst the intentions were great for it's development and use, I have > found > > units that now require of the LW midwife to enter pregnancy and labour > info > > on the database, progress notes on the labour AND the partogram. PHew! No > > wonder we're all stressed! > > > > Jen, I think the State of the Art hospital in Australia is one that would > > have the woman as their focus. Not documentation, not legalese, not > doctors. > > Where is that???? cos I want a job there! lol. > > > > Robin > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Jennifer Semple" < [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > To: < [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > Sent: Monday, September 30, 2002 1:12 PM > > Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] computer databases > > > > > >> Please forgive my ignorance on the issue... but does a computer > >> database take place of the midwife making notes & obs on paper? > >> > >> I was w/ a woman @ her birth in a hospital in the US where they had a > >> PC in every labour & birth room (every room was private)... all of the > >> notes & obs were entered directly on to it & the CTG was hooked up to > >> the PC as well. Hehehe, it was hard to tell whether the computer or > >> the bed (with the woman tethered to it) was more of a focal point in > >> the room! > >> > >> I'm a first year BMid student & haven't been on clinicals yet, so I > >> don't know what the "state of the state" in hospital in Oz is. I'm not > >> passing judgement on the computers... I have no idea what the pros & > >> cons are for the midwife... just my observation from the birth w/ the > >> woman. > >> > >> Jen > >> > >> -- > >> This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. > >> Visit < http://www.acegraphics.com.au > to subscribe or unsubscribe. > > > > > > -- > > This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. > > Visit < http://www.acegraphics.com.au > to subscribe or unsubscribe. > > -- > This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. > Visit < http://www.acegraphics.com.au > to subscribe or unsubscribe. > > > -- > This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. > Visit < http://www.acegraphics.com.au > to subscribe or unsubscribe. > ------------------------------------------------- This mail sent through SE Net Webmail http://webmail.senet.com.au -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit <http://www.acegraphics.com.au> to subscribe or unsubscribe.
