Mmmm, wasn't that on a Huggies ad? Hope I've got it wrong!
----- Original Message ----- From: Julie Clarke <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Monday, October 28, 2002 4:54 PM Subject: RE: [ozmidwifery] educating the community > Karen were you referring to the video presented at the NACE Conference > at Qld a couple of years ago ? > With the Roberta Flack song "The first time ever I saw your face" as > background music ? > That's the first video of Nic's that I have seen and I don't think there > was a dry eye in the room - educators were reaching for tissues > everywhere. > > Julie Clarke > Childbirth and Parenting Educator > Transition into Parenthood > 9 Withybrook Pl > Sylvania NSW 2224 > T. (02) 9544 6441 > F (02) 9544 9257 > M. 0401 265 530 > email [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > -----Original Message----- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [mailto:owner-ozmidwifery@;acegraphics.com.au] On Behalf Of Karen Arthur > Sent: Monday, 28 October 2002 7:32 AM > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: RE: [ozmidwifery] educating the community > > Hi everyone, > > Nic's videos have my vote as well. When I first saw the images of the > first one she did, I thought that we needed the general public to see > these, and then they'd understand what we're trying to say. A picture > tells a thousand words..... > > Have a great day > > Karen > > -----Original Message----- > From: Jennifer Semple [mailto:jennifer.semple1@;students.vu.edu.au] > Sent: Sunday, 27 October 2002 7:59 PM > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] educating the community > > > I think those CPA ads are really effective too. & if you have a really > good ad that people actually like to see, I think one ad is just as > effective as 3 different ones. > > An ad for midwifery is a GREAT idea... ofcourse I have NO IDEA how much > ad space/time costs... but EVERYONE loves to look at babies. > > Nic Edmonstone's videos are so powerful... radiating beauty, emotion, & > love... she would be able to get to the heart of it in 10 seconds or > however much time an ads is. > > Anyway, just my two cents. Cheers, Jen > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Jan Robinson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Date: Sunday, October 27, 2002 7:35 am > Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] educating the community > > > Hi list > > > > I couldn't agree with Robyn and Julie more about TV coverage but > > participation in a regular show would take yet another one of us > > away from > > our lifelong passion of childbirth. We would needs lottsa moola to > > pay for a > > well known personality to front up for us on a weekly basis. > > > > We could get together and make a TV advert to be shown on prime > > time when > > most of the younger thinking women take time out to watch the news or > > follow-on shows. This is how the CPAs did so well in establishing > > themselves in the Australian community. Also remember the series > > of ads the > > GPs put on a few years ago in response to the alternative > > practitionerstaking away much of their business? They were very > > effective.Another possibility to target is the ABC late affternoon > > shows put on to > > educate kids. > > We definitely need a follow on from NMAP while the public still > > remember it. > > > > Perhaps we could fundraise through the College, ASIM and NACE to > > produce two > > or three "smash-hit" ads that would create huge interest in > > seeking out > > one-to-one midwifery care. > > Another alternative is to convince some budding film makers > > (anyone got one > > amongst their clients?) to put some time and energy into making > > such an AD > > at reduced rates. It literally costs thousands of $$$ to produce a > > halfminute ad for TV. > > > > Once we own the ad. we could make copies and show them at every > > childbirtheducation class across the country ... Especially > > "Choices for Childbirth" > > evenings that are being run by MC supporters. > > > > Jan > > > > > > On 23/10/02 12:52 PM, "Robyn Thompson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > Maybe we should develop a dossier with all the current facts and > > research> extracts that we all carry when spreading the word A > > NMAP DOSSIER that means > > > we are all spreading the same world with the latest facts. If > > we all > > > contribute someone like me or others maybe able to compile it > > and update it. > > > It could go to anyone on the Planet it would united and factual > > the message > > > strong and concise. > > > > > > In agreeance with a National TV Programme that teaches practical > > information> weekly would be good. Something to replace the > > Soapies. I go into many > > > homes every week and the families are almost always watching the > > soapies> often they don't turn it off during our 1 to 2 hour > > consultation. At times > > > I have to ask for the volume to be turned down. > > > > > > If only we had a National dynamic programme for FAmilies, > > students, on > > > pregnancy, birth breastfeeding and lot's more!!!!!! How many > > people might > > > we reach????? > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > [mailto:owner-ozmidwifery@;acegraphics.com.au]On Behalf Of Julie > > Clarke> Sent: Tuesday, October 22, 2002 6:03 PM > > > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > Subject: [ozmidwifery] educating the community > > > > > > > > > Hi all > > > Denise's suggestion to use TV as an effective medium for > > educating the > > > public is certainly something I agree with, and I hope that > > somewhere> someone is working on a script. > > > In the meantime in my everyday life I talk to anyone and > > everyone about > > > normal childbirth and Australia's uniquely abnormal system > > compared to > > > other countries. > > > Yesterday I was attending a course Certificate V Workplace > > Training and > > > I was able to get in the topic on several occasions. > > > (a) one of the other participants was 5 months pregnant :-) golden > > > opportunity ! She is booked in to a private hospital. I was > > able to > > > explain the intervention rates at private hospitals and other > > options> she might like to consider. :-) > > > (b) the trainer was of Dutch descent. So I praised her country > > of origin > > > and informed her of the nature of maternity services, the safety > > etc She > > > was surprised and totally unaware of the extent of homebirth in her > > > country and the safe outcomes. > > > > > > That just give 2 examples of how these people who were previously > > > completely oblivious to the reality of maternity services in > > Australia> and now they know. > > > Chances are they will talk to someone else who will talk to someone > > > else... > > > Beautiful isn't it :-) > > > > > > Julie Clarke > > > Childbirth and Parenting Educator > > > Transition into Parenthood > > > 9 Withybrook Pl > > > Sylvania NSW 2224 > > > T. (02) 9544 6441 > > > F (02) 9544 9257 > > > M. 0401 265 530 > > > email [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > [mailto:owner-ozmidwifery@;acegraphics.com.au] On Behalf Of > > Denise Hynd > > > Sent: Monday, 21 October 2002 11:36 AM > > > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] Rape by stealth (longish) > > > > > > Dear All > > > I keep coming back to the need for our community to see and > > understand> that > > > there is another way a woman centred way to birth. > > > The women and families need to see it so they can ask for it as > > do the > > > midwives and other health professionals > > > So please some one help get a programme on national TV that > > looks at and > > > follows women, families and the midwives thru women centred care in > > > Australia > > > On the Community Midwfery Program Wa as with most homebirths the > > labours> prgress with love and support for what the woman needs > > most births > > > happen > > > with out VE's and so many other intrusions! > > > > > > Please does some one have a connection to help show this way of > > birthing> and > > > care in pregnancy to our nation!! > > > Denise > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: Robin Moon <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > Sent: Monday, October 21, 2002 5:35 AM > > > Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] Rape by stealth (longish) > > > > > > > > >> It's all very scary isnt it? > > >> the majority of women will accept such practices because of their > > > belief > > > in > > >> the infallibility of the doctor to do what is right. Aside from the > > > issue > > >> where some people feel raped by such procedures, many accept it > > > because it > > >> is seen as the doctor 'doing' something. He 'had' to induce, or he > > > 'had' > > > to > > >> find the cervix. I just find it so sad. A cervix that is not > > ready is > > > the > > >> clearest indicator that ---- it's not ready! Not that it requires > > > pummelling > > >> into submission. I once cared for a woman who remained 4cm for a > > > number of > > >> hours despite good contractions. Her obstetrician came and within > > > minutes > > >> had manipulated the cervix into being fully dilated - plenty of > > blood> in > > >> that procedure. I was appalled- imagine how sore she would have > > been> next > > >> day. > > >> > > >> Mary Chiarella talks about theses issues in her book ' Silence > > in the > > >> Courts'. She suggests nurses live in a professional > > 'shadowland' when > > > it > > >> comes to an ability to intervene in unsavoury medical > > practices. Or, > > > more > > >> realistically, be heard. > > >> http://www.nmh.uts.edu.au/whatsnew/2000/silence.html > > >> > > >> Robin > > >> > > >> ----- Original Message ----- > > >> From: "Lynne Staff" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > >> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > >> Sent: Sunday, October 20, 2002 9:13 PM > > >> Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] Rape by stealth (longish) > > >> > > >> > > >>> You know Denise, you have touched on something I have > > discussed with > > > Vicki > > >>> many times - love. What we (aspire to) do as midwives means loving > > > women. > > >>> And I have also experienced anger and hate for speaking about this > > >>> (situations where women suffer at the hands of professionals > > who are > > >>> supposed to care but cannot, or else why would they not stop > > when a > > > woman > > >>> asks them to, when she feels she is hurting, or being injured or > > > worse, > > >>> violated). > > >>> > > >>> So I say again, as I did in a recent posting, there is a Health > > > Rights > > >>> Commission there to be utilised in instances just such as > > these. If > > > the > > >>> woman cannot find the strength (or does not wish, for whatever > > > reason) > > > to > > >>> take the issue further, then we as midwives can (we can in QLD > > - > > >> anonymously > > >>> too, because midwives also are threatened for rocking the boat). > > > Partners > > >>> often feel intense anger at what occurs, but when the babe is > > born,> there > > >> is > > >>> the "well, thank goodness my partner and the baby are OK" thoughts > > > which > > >> are > > >>> reinforced by professionals when they say "a good outcome, eh?" > > > There > > > is > > >> an > > >>> increasing body of evidence which points to the trauma > > partners also > > >>> experience when they are witness to these ATROCITIES (and one > > has to > > > call > > >>> them that, for that is what they are). This is so connected to the > > >> couple's > > >>> most intimate, personal and sexual selves - but where are the > > > avenues > > > for > > >>> them to say "No DON'T!" Or when they do say, shout....plead, who > > > hears, > > >> and > > >>> moreso, who listens? > > >>> > > >>> ----- Original Message ----- > > >>> From: "Denise Hynd" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > >>> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > >>> Sent: Sunday, October 20, 2002 11:11 AM > > >>> Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] Rape by stealth (longish) > > >>> > > >>> > > >>>> Dear Megan and others > > >>>> I wish this was an aberation but as some one who has taken > > > students > > > for > > >>>> maternity expereince in different hospitals and done agency work > > > in > > > even > > >>>> more I have seen too much acceptance of this insensitivity to the > > >> physical > > >>>> and emotional feelings of women. > > >>>> Look at this particualr situation and multiply it be even a smal > > >>> proportion > > >>>> of the ARMs out there! > > >>>> > > >>>> There would have been hospital staff present when this was > > > happening > > > did > > >>>> they say anything were they even looking to see how this > > woman was > > >>> reacting, > > >>>> let alone her partner?? > > >>>> > > >>>> Why did they not say anything to him let alone intercede? > > >>>> > > >>>> Too many of us do not question let alone act to stop these > > > situations. > > >>>> > > >>>> Rather midwives help set the women up for these procedures and > > > maintain > > >>> that > > >>>> this is necessary that really sadenes me!! > > >>>> And I have expereinced the anger and hate when I say these things > > >>>> > > >>>> For me we need the change of implementing NMAP not only to > > improve> the > > >>>> experinces of the birthing women but to bring the attendants back > > > to > > >> what > > >>> it > > >>>> is to be a woman to feel her real pains, to be "with Woman" and > > > act > > > to > > >>> stop > > >>>> the cause, to show them they can and should act in love not fear > > > around > > >>>> birth. > > >>>> > > >>>> Denise > > >>>> ----- Original Message ----- > > >>>> From: Larry & Megan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > >>>> To: ozmidwifery <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > >>>> Sent: Saturday, October 19, 2002 10:30 PM > > >>>> Subject: [ozmidwifery] Rape by stealth (longish) > > >>>> > > >>>> > > >>>>> Can I burrow some wisdom from the list? > > >>>>> I have just visited my friend and her new baby in hospital. Her > > > doctor > > >>>>> suggested she be induced a week early because her baby was > > > looking > > >> like > > >>>>> being a good 9lb plus?(her first was 9lb). She trusted his > > > wisdom > > > and > > >>> went > > >>>>> ahead, having gels late evening and the following morning, > > > nothing > > >>>>> happening. At 1pm he broke her waters. This bit I am appaled at. > > > He > > >> has > > >>>> very > > >>>>> large hands, and the agony it caused her was awful, even to the > > > point > > >> of > > >>>>> screaming at him to stop. He didn't. Eventually labour started > > > and > > >> late > > >>>> that > > >>>>> evening with the aid of an epidural she birthed a lovely little > > > boy, > > >>>>> weighing only 8lb5oz. Mum and baby doing well. > > >>>>> I asked her if he commented on the weight , of course he hasn't > > > and > > >> they > > >>>>> don't want to say anything. She was induced for no good reason. > > > She > > >>>>> described the ARM as what she imagines being raped would feel > > > like, > > > (I > > >>>> guess > > >>>>> physically and emotionally) this will also not be passed on to > > > him. > > >>>>> I feel that she was raped and there is nothing I can do about > > > it. I > > >>> can't > > >>>>> force her to acknowledge what happened, her and hubby are > > > relatively > > >>> happy > > >>>>> and she has a beautiful baby that neeeds her. It is safer for > > > them > > > to > > >>>> think > > >>>>> of it as a medical procedure because if you acknowledge it as > > > rape, > > >> who > > >>> is > > >>>>> going to help them deal with it all. How many women and men > > > experience > > >>>> this? > > >>>>> This doctor will never know how he made her feel and can > > > continue to > > >>>>> practice like this because the silence says it is OK. I am so > > >> frustrated > > >>>> and > > >>>>> sad that she had to experience it at all. > > >>>>> > > >>>>> It reinforces my belief in NMAP and the need for women to have > > > the very best of care. > > >>>>> > > >>>>> thanks, I just needed to vent off, my husbands ears are tired, > > >>>>> Megan. > > > > > > > > -- > > This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. > > Visit <" target="l">http://www.acegraphics.com.au> to subscribe or > > unsubscribe. > > -- > This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. > Visit <http://www.acegraphics.com.au> to subscribe or unsubscribe. > > -- > This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. > Visit <http://www.acegraphics.com.au> to subscribe or unsubscribe. > > > -- > This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. > Visit <http://www.acegraphics.com.au> to subscribe or unsubscribe. > -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit <http://www.acegraphics.com.au> to subscribe or unsubscribe.
