..."its the underlying premise in all that we do"..."we have to always be thinking at every moment...are you the one who is going to make my life hell?"
 
Ok - well I can almost understand this way of thinking and i do not condone it.
But, our Body Piercing Studio - cannot get insurance at all - never have been able to even though it should be very low risk.  However, we have had a court case going for the past 2 yrs - still dragging out over a piercing that we didn't even do.  The guy seems to have been paid by the shop that did do the piercing to say we did it.  (he had his tongue done by them on a Wed AM - it got swollen and he ended up in hospital on Sunday PM.  He had it removed surgically - 2 days latter (so on tuesday)they did a tracheostemy for infection from swelling and then a day after that he had renal failure and now he is saying we did the piercing on the Thursday and the problems must have all been our fault.  A - he has NO proof at all and B - we have witnesses too say we did not do and and saw he had it done on Wed.  But it is still dragging out and costing in legal fees.
Because he has the doctors assisting him we have had a hell of a time proving that it is a a great big fraudulent case and a lie.  And the doctors wont admit that they may have caused a problem - even though he got the swelling 2 days after they removed it.
So i in some ways look at clients as - "Are you the next dickhead who is going to try to make my life hell?"
I have some highly educated clients who I can chat to for hours and fiinally get round to what they have come in for and i also have clients who are absolute "nuff nuffs" and as they walk out the door the prediction of how long it will take for them to return with an infection is almost worth betting on.
I must admit that some surprize me and do take care of the piercing and return for the check up in two weeks time with no problems - to my relief.
 
It seems to be the lower socio economic clients who are more inclined to expect to pay less and sue if they have a problem -  it seems to me that the lower socio economic clients are more likely to go to the TV shows and the likes because it is not worth counter sueing for defamation as they have nothing.  If I were to go on TV and defame someone I would risk litigation and the loss of my business and house etc but if I have nothing - what can I loose.
Next time you see someone bagging any business on the likes of ACA you will notice the socio economic status of that person.  Most of them are low income people in rented houses.  I guess Doctors see the same thing and the mentality is therefore being taught to them.  It is so sad for this to be happening.
 
Unfortunately, since we have had this rediculous case happen to us we are more distant from clients in general and defensive.  Wef find it hard t trust people.
We have the consolation that - A - we didn't do it and B - because they lied on ACA we will eventually win our case and then look at defamation. 
Here i am a country girl just trying to make ends meet (we just sold a bull - he cost us about $120 in formula and feed - because we have not had enough rain we had to sell him - we got $49) Situation grim and rain not coming it is taking it's toll on the farmers and then to top it off we have litigation to contend with.  I look at my life sometimes and think - who needs TV shows. 
 
Sorry to rant so long - just sometimes can't believe how some "nuff nuff" people can get legal help and how we are becoming so much run by lawers and litigation. 
 
Regards
Rhonda
 
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Date: Monday, November 11, 2002 19:02:58
Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] what doctors learn at med school!
 
I had the dubious pleasure of sharing last semester with a group of first year medical students, of which one wished to become an obstetrician, but she couldn't tell me why?????  They were all in my opinion, abnormally focussed on litigation - this was first years!!!!  What was really scary was they had no idea - they thought the reason we had the highest intervention and cs rates in Australia was because of our lower socio-economic group women.  When I asked if they could explain why the healthiest and most affluent women of our community experience the most intervention they were struck dumb.  
These young women will be unleashed on the community in approx. 7 years; God help us!

Carolyn

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[EMAIL PROTECTED]" type="cite">Hi again all,

had an interesting afternoon today at a BBQ with some old work mates...One friend who I worked at CSIRO with eons ago (past life stuff) like me ....had a radical change in occupation and went to do nursing...she finished her nursing about 8 years ago....anyhow....she brought a friend to the BBQ ...a "work colleague".... I just assumed this woman was a nurse too...anyhow got chatting as you do...my friend announced to her "work colleague" that I was doing midwifery.....So your a nurse too she asked...No...I'm not a nurse .....doing the new Bachelor of Midwifery....bla bla...."Direct entry" my friend announces....one of THOSE midwives who think they are not part of the nursing profession. ...Well that went down REAL well...she always did know how to get my hackles up...thought I had educated her better than that...but can see she has been educated by others than just I...:-((

No not "direct entry" I replied...we don't do direct entry nursing....or direct entry medicine...or direct law or accounting...bla bla bla..Anyhow ....finally this "work colleague" couldn't resist and announced that she was a MO...doing her internship....and wanted to know more about "the likes of you" doing midwifery without nursing first...."do you do any physiology???" .....bla bla bla I guess you can imagine the conversation from there...

The conversion progressed quickly back to medicine...I wanted to pick her brains about being a beginning practitioner and her thoughts on the health care system...What struck me immediately was her sheer arrogance and lack of understanding of people....amazing....According to her the general public are all "fu-k--- nuff nuffs"...."parents have no parenting skills"......"the public all just want to sue us". She was just fascinated to think that I would even consider private practice as a midwife..."too scary - you must be fu--ing mad!!" and "noone from uni is even considering obs and gynae as its just too risky".

This woman is 25 years old and already educated with the 'fear factor'. She stated openly that as doctors they are taught at med school that a "trusting relationship with your patients" is non existent as the patient only looks to the doctor fix up their problems and will sue if they don't..and the doctor looks at the patient thinking all you want is to sue me....I was totally blown away by this...oh yeh she says..."its the underlying premise in all that we do"..."we have to always be thinking at every moment...are you the one who is going to make my life hell?"

How scary is this folks???These are the obs of the future...This woman has this level of fear ingrained into her already..I couldn't believe what I was hearing....I was almost lost for words...beleive it or not!

Ahhh I said..."that's where midwives have it all over doctors....our basic premise is trust....for if we can't establish our professional relationships on that....like you guys are discovering...when it all comes tumbling down....you have nothing else"

Trust and communication.....two important factors in not getting sued I'd reckon......but hey who am I....only a "nuf nuff" in her eyes...

Cheers Tina P.

 
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