Dear Frank - I endorse the comments of Mary, Jan, Sally etc.  I'm assuming
you've had extensive experience with water births to come to this
enlightened opinion.  I've never seen a newborn baby so filled with air that
it is like a ball underwater...  in fact, in my text book they have no air
at all until they reach the surface and breath (so gently and beautifully).
Finally, a woman belongs where she wants to be -- if that happens to be a
birthing chair, fine, but NO ONE has the right to say YOU BELONG HERE OR
THERE while birthing.  Have you heard of woman centred care??  Thank God for
caring thinking midwives like Pete (hug, and pat on the back from Lois).
Have a think about it Frank.

----- Original Message -----
From: "Frank Jockel" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Saturday, December 07, 2002 1:10 PM
Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] birthing in dam water


Hi,
I just have to give my two bob's worth regarding water births... I think
water births are the STUPIDEST idea since the Irish decided to land on the
sun at night.
What happens when you push a ball under water?  Its bouyancy makes it pop UP
  A baby has bouancy too.  So unless the mother is willing to wear a snorkel
and mask and be upside down, pointing her perineum at the surface, the baby
is fighting bouancy and the uterus is fighting bouancy...  stupid.
Get out of the water and onto a birthing chair where you belong and let
Gravity do the work
Water for fish..
Regards,

Frank Jockel

-------Original Message-------

From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Saturday, 07 December 2002 03:41:26 PM
To: '[EMAIL PROTECTED]'
Subject: [ozmidwifery] birthing in dam water

Could people tell me of their experiences with birthing in dam water, we
really don't have enough rainwater on site to use, this dam water is used
for general washing etc it runs through the solar hotwater service but is
quite turbid, yours in midwifery pete malavisi

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