Rhonda: you were (and are!!) ahead of your time. They have indeed changed and while no more pg's for women with a prior c/s (at least not to my knowledge, but heh I am not perfect) the vbac rate has also shrunk. Part of the reason for the study was that some tertiary care centers in the states were getting a little (sarcasm) laid back about what could be done with (read to) vbac women with some  catastrophic results.  Nowadays some places may give women they would like to induce a whiff of synto (if cervix is favourable etc) under careful monitoring otherwise it seems to be the so called " elective " alias seriously coerced c/s. So, some good did come out of that trial. Regarding vbac with prior vaginal birth: I am sure there are studies but smaller , maybe even case studies and all retrospective. I strongly believe we have to give up the idea of randomly controlled trials for  everything. Sometimes randomisation is unethical(such as randomising women undergoing a perfectly normal experience: birth, to major abdominal surgery even if those randomised to vaginal birth had the worlds best midwives in the world's best home/birthing center. It is just wrong and so we have to live with other forms of evidence don't we?? The mind boggles, at least mine does. Also I can't imagine that women who would agree to participate in such randomisation would be too committed to a normal birth??
 
marilyn
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From: Rhonda
Sent: Wednesday, October 22, 2003 7:52 PM
Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] A few questions. (sorry long answer)

Marilyn,
 
This would indicate that there have been no real studies on VBAC women who have already had previous vaginal births to the c/s. 
Hmm.
 
As to prostoglandin not being used!  Yes - well my main problem 4 yrs ago was that they wanted to use prostoglandin to induce me and I refused as after having 5 lots of it at 26weeks with my first (and then a c/s) I didn't want it used again.  They then labelled me as ' argumentative' and I got treated really badly and forced to have a second c/s even after going into spontaneous labour.
So up until 4 yrs ago they were still using it and when I complained the ob. fell back on the fact that it is still commonly used on women who have had a c/s.  (that was in a letter about 2 yrs ago.)
 
Can't imagine things have changed since then.  Maybe!!!
 
Rhonda
 
 
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