Andrea, I am a little confused, you seem to have switched from talking about a 
homebirth service run from RHW to one run from St.George, or am I getting my wires 
crossed?

cheers
Jo

At 8:41 +1100 1/12/03, Andrea Robertson wrote:
>Hello everyone,
>
>It is very good to see such a useful debate on the proposed home birth services that 
>are in the wind.  I think everyone has had something very useful to offer to the 
>discussion and here are my thoughts on some of those responses.
>
>The reason that I raised the way home birth works in the UK is firstly because I have 
>had a lot of exposure to its variations across the UK and therefore feel we can learn 
>a lot from the way it works there. The fact that home birth rates are rising steadily 
>in Britain comes down to the commitment fo the system to home birth as an option andn 
>its availability as a free service to every woman wo wants it. Yes, some women don't 
>get to choose their midwife but at the end of the day, research has shown that for 
>the majority of women, it is not just the person (midwife) who matters to women but 
>the quality of the care. As long as the midwife is caring, and the woman's needs are 
>met, most women are happy - they realise that midwives too have lives and may not be 
>able to be the beck and call of women 24/7. If a colleague arrives instead of the 
>expected midwife, as long as the care remains the same women will accept this.
>
>The remarkable outcomes achieved by the Albany midwives (43% home birth rate) is with 
>a population of women who would not even be considered for a home birth by most 
>services because of existing risk factors. This services does not set out to offer 
>"home births" as such, but woman centred care. The decision about where to give birth 
>is made during the labour, and because of the flexibility of the midwives and the 
>service, many woman are able to elect to stay put and have an "unplanned" homebirth.
>
>In constrast, the CMWA is working with a select group of women, who are very unlikely 
>to have the social risks that the Albany team work with (homeless, poor, drug users, 
>teenagers, non-English speaking etc). It could be argued that in such a select group, 
>who start out wanting a homebirth, that a 75% home birth (or even higher) would be 
>expected. A lower rate than this would be a cause for concern.
>
>I agree that we should use our own home grown service in WA as a model of care for 
>other community based programs. It is exemplary and an ideal model to follow. But it 
>is not the only model, and there must be other choices available for women, 
>especially those who book into a Birth Centre because they want to avoid a 
>medicalised birth and then discover along the way that they could actually give birth 
>at home quite safely. A hosptial based service that offers either birth centre or 
>home births could make this a reality for many women.
>
>I also quoted the UK experience because many people are using it as an argument to 
>stymie the proposed program at St George, quoting anecdotal evidence rather than hard 
>facts to strengthen their opposition. Many assumptions are being made, without 
>investigating the facts, and unfounded fears are being used as a basis for doubting 
>the commitment and philosophy of those striving to initiate much needed change within 
>the system.
>
>The bottom line is that the SESAHS has still not signed off on the proposed service 
>and unless there is overwhelming support (and pressure) from the community (including 
>the IPMs) for its establishment then they may well choose to spend their money not on 
>providing an "elite" service for a relatively small number of women but on much 
>needed services for a larger number of women in their jurisdiction.
>
>It may not be the "perfect" service, but it is a start, and will set a precedent that 
>can be used as a foundation for building home birth awareness in the community that 
>will help drive change elsewhere. Most of you may not remember that 25 years ago 
>birth centres were an unknown concept and it took a lot of community pressure to get 
>the first one opened. It was not publicisied bcause the doctors feasred competition 
>and it has very strict selection criteria, but it survived and spawned others. Birth 
>Centres are now "mainstream" health care. Wouldn't it be wonderful if this small 
>beginning led to the wider recognition of home birth as a "mainstream" option (as it 
>is in the UK and elsewhere)?
>
>The criteria for the operation of the service are still being discussed. At St 
>George, the heads of both the midwifery services and the obstetric services are very 
>supportive of home birth and are committed to evidence based care and woman-centred 
>care. There is no reason to suspect that they will be putting highly restrictive 
>practice policies in place - in fact it could be argued that a successful service, 
>utilised by a good number of women will enhance their status and support their 
>decision to take this bold step forward. If a woman meets birth centre criteria (and 
>that currently includes VBAC for example) then she should be able to give birth at 
>home should she wish. If the decision regarding birth place can be left until the 
>labour itself, there is a good chance of a positive outcome all round. Instead of 
>spreading rumours and doubts, let's get behind the proposed program and make sure it 
>works well - for everyone's benefit.
>
>Regards
>
>Andrea
>
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>
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