Having an understanding of the hormones at work in labour can also lead one to quietly support women in labour as well as for them to be quiet in labour!
 
For example oxytocin comes from our midbrain or deep primitive brain as Michel Odent refers to the pituitary galnd and related organs. Its flow is continued with the feedback mechanism of the descenting part pressing on and stretching the cervix! Hence the significance of upright postures.
 
However it can be  interupted or stopped with the Release of adrenaline, our flight or Fight hormone,  so fears need to be faced/  released as well as the need for a woman  to feel safe and supported, one of the things that is best done when the woman has a personal relationship of mutual trust and knowing with her care-giver!
 
As well once in labour there is need for the reduction of external stimuli which can distract or raise concerns and hence interfere with the dominance and flow of this inate  part of the brain rather than the cerebral cortex or thinking part of the brain. Hence many women like other animals labour and birth more  easily in low light and noise,
which is more often the atmosphere at home.
Thus I think the inclusion of TV  and crowds of strangers in labour places or rooms not belonging to the woman shows ignorance of the process and probably increases or ignorantly confirms the reliance on epidurals etc. As these women are kept from or brought out of their deep primitive  states their powerful inate pain relieveing Endorphins can also not kick in or increase.
 
It is watching for and supporting of these which you learn most about in homebirth.
As a homebirth midwife you also learn that relying on and doing things such as Vaginal examintions, and other observations  or looking for signs or symptoms of problems can be a cause of problems as they disturb this deep primitive pattern of labour rather than supporting it!!
Sheila Kittsinger and other talk of the Dance of Labour.
 
Sadly not often seen or learnt in hospital birth which is based on super-imposed medical fears and management ideas of labour which in turn becomes situations women need and seek rescuing from!!
 
Women in effective labour sometimes make noises but as some of you have said most often it is deep gutteral noises, again something some people do not like or something that can not be done when we have support people who feel they need to be involved and knowing at every contraction .
 
When the noises are high pitched like in other situations it is often out of control pain or  fear which requires the midwife to help the woman deal with, as there can also be loss of energy from the birthing. Sometimes you can help her come back to where the baby is and  by changing her noises back to those deep gutteral noises!
 
Anyway when these noises are combined with other behaviours of the dance of Labour, it is a mystic, unknown  journey that the woman and baby take their support people on rather than predetermined sequence of events!!
 
This is a large part of what I feel OUR  women, midwives and community are missing out on the wonderous nature of birth rahter we are lost in the fear of birth and can not see that the fear is contributing to the horrific births we see that women and others need rescuing from with epidurals etc.
 
Denise
 
 
 
----- Original Message -----
From: jo
Sent: Tuesday, April 20, 2004 4:43 PM
Subject: RE: [ozmidwifery] quiet birth

Hi all,
One of my brothers and his wife were/are heavily into Scientology and had homebirths with their 2 children in Sydney 17 and 13 years ago. Most of their friends (also Scientologists) also had homebirths. I'm very thankful to them because this was my introduction to homebirth, before then I had no idea that it was even possible - I was 16.
I believe that the reason behind not talking nor making noise in labour and during birth for Scientologists is more than going inward and focusing.
They believe that when one is in a state of pain, part of the brain is open and registers words, noises etc etc. This causes what they call an 'engram'. This means that whenever those words or noises are said again in the future, it will automatically transport the person back to the state of pain that they were in when those words or noises were uttered and can stiffle them as people and put them in a state of fear (pretty 'out there' I know, but each to their own).
So the mother tries not to make noise or say words so that the baby, who is undoubtedly in some pain, will not get an "engram' from the birth experience and will be more able to live to their full potential.
Interesting stuff - these women would probably be perfect candidates for hypnobirthing!
Regards
Jo Hunter


From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Marilyn Kleidon
Sent: Wednesday, April 21, 2004 9:45 AM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] quiet birth

Hi Nicole:
 
A lot of our homebirth clients in California were Scientologists. I am NOT one myself. I do not remember them being particularly quiet or noisy in birth, just quite determined to get on with it, and not particularly open to hospital transfer which was ok since all of the births I attended with these families were delightfully normal. All of the recent clients were also enthusiastic breastfeeders which apparently wasn't true about 20 years ago. My California mentor had initially built her homebirth practice with Scientologist families and was most disturbed by their practice of not breastfeeding but feeding some barley water based formula concocted by L. Ron Hubbard (the leader). In any case they seem to have changed that practice in the last few years at least in my experience.
 
It is my experience that some devout women of various faiths: Muslim, Jewish, Christian, may be particularly quiet in labour as they pray during contractions: closing their eyes and going deep within themselves. This is particularly so with some such women when their husbands are not present beside them but instead praying in an adjoining room. I have found it very important to respect this sacred space for these women and allow the room for them to go deep inside themselves. They do not focus without but instead focus within. This was brought to my attention by a powerful Muslim woman about 10 years ago now, who I was trying (oh so erroneously) to help focus...outside herself during contractions, who said so firmly to me "could you please be quiet when I am contracting, I neeed to focus inside to pray". shut me up in a hurry.  This works so well for some women. Personally, I had to make noise, from 8cm until the birth, deep gutteral noise and I encourage this in women if it seems appropriate, it is jusy a hugely personal thing.
 
marilyn
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Monday, April 19, 2004 8:46 PM
Subject: [ozmidwifery] quiet birth

I have just finished reading an article in the Women's Weekly on ' Kate Cebrano's quiet birth'.....which describes her belief re. labour & birth, which they tie to her Scientology,
that labour and birth be a gentle, peaceful, quiet experience.... my first thoughts were quite positive... yet, I wonder when she states "but you don't want to scream out to that effect at all" and "screaming and yelling might be your primary urge, and completely natural, but what your'e trying to avoid is any suggestion that there's trouble at hand".
Does this mean moaning and growling too???
Overall, I think the article is positive in the fact that it highlights natural birth.... but just wonder what others think - regarding her belief on women holding back from being noisy ??
I don't think that being quiet whilst in labour is a bad thing if mother decides this at time of labour.... but wonder about pre-conceived ideals PRIOR to labour... which prevent her from groaning etc if she would normally feel comfortable in doing so.
look forward to your thoughts...
cheers,
Nicole
ps. I quite like Kate Cebrano - so I'm not anti her... AND I was quiet during the birth of my first baby - BUT this was after a noisy 24 hour labour.... 4 hours of pushing.... and really due to complete exhaustion.....(and wasn't a premeditated thing).

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