Hi Marilyn,
I should have this article - will check in the office tomorrow and post a copy to you.
Cheers
Andrea
At 01:25 AM 21/11/2004, you wrote:
Great study but not looking at what I am trying to find some research for. Does anyone have a copy of this article in The Practising Midwife 2001: Antenatal expression of colostrum. Pract Midwife. 2001 Apr;4(4):32-5. Review. No abstract available. PMID: 12026613 [PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE]
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Original Message ----- From: "mh" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Thursday, November 18, 2004 11:10 PM Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] gestational diabetes and antenatal ebm
> They're not assigned to BF or AF. Just that if they're BF an > d for some reason change their mind at any time during the (I think) 1st > year, or use a comp etc, they use the one supplied which is unidentified (I > think). You can look it up if you google TRiGR. I heard an inservice on it > which didn't sound at all unethical. They are trying to promote BF but the > fact of the metter is that in the real world the majority of mothers do > comp with something at least once during their breastfeeding experience and > many do wean to a bottle and formula. It is these they are trying to catch. > Monica > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Nicole Carver" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Sent: Thursday, November 18, 2004 2:23 PM > Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] gestational diabetes and antenatal ebm > > > > Unfortunately, they seem to be signing people up before they have their > > babies, to be in a RCT between cow's milk and non-cow's milk based > > formulas. > > A bit dodgy ethically to me! Does anyone else know more about this? > > Nicole C > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Sandra J. Eales" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > Sent: Thursday, November 18, 2004 2:00 PM > > Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] gestational diabetes and antenatal ebm > > > > > >> Marilyn > >> There might not be much on expressing antenatally, but there is quite a > > bit > >> of research on the increased risk of children developing type1 diabetes > >> if > >> they are exposed to cow's milk. In fact I heard just the other night on > > the > >> news that there is a multi centre study going on - they were trying to > >> recruit pregnant women or babies where one parent was diabetic.. hoping > >> to > >> follow 6000 kids. I don't recall the details of where it was being done > >> though. > >> Sandra > >> > >> ----- Original Message ----- > >> From: "Marilyn Kleidon" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >> Sent: Thursday, November 18, 2004 10:56 AM > >> Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] gestational diabetes and antenatal ebm > >> > >> > >> > Way to go Denise, I totally agree. However, am part of a working group > > for > >> > BFHI reaccreditation and was asked to find the evidence. So, I was just > >> > wondering if there was some that I had missed. > >> > > >> > marilyn > >> > > >> > ----- Original Message ----- > >> > From: "Denise Fisher" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >> > To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >> > Sent: Tuesday, November 16, 2004 3:41 PM > >> > Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] gestational diabetes and antenatal ebm > >> > > >> > > >> >> Hi Marilyn > >> >> > >> >> I won't swear to it but I don't know that there is any research out > > there > >> >> on this practice. However to give newborns their own mother's milk is > >> > kinda > >> >> natural and not really something that we need research to prove is a > > good > >> >> thing do we? Wouldn't it be more to the point to ask those who are > > giving > >> >> newborns something other than breastmilk to come up with the evidence > > to > >> >> prove that what they are doing is not detrimental?? I'd like to see > > that > >> >> ... could have them running around in circles for years trying to find > >> >> anything to support that practice as opposed to giving mother's own > >> > colostrum. > >> >> All you really need proof of is that expressing antenatally won't put > >> >> a > >> >> mother into preterm labor, which it won't and I'm sure you'll find > > plenty > >> >> out there on that - then ensure that the mothers know how to store and > >> >> transport their milk safely when the time comes. > >> >> > >> >> There's lots more than just giving breastmilk though that can > >> >> stabilise > >> > the > >> >> newborn's glucose levels quickly and efficiently - starting with > >> >> undisturbed skin-to-skin on mother's chest from the moment of > >> >> birthing. > >> >> > >> >> I really do implore everyone to think long and hard before scampering > >> >> around trying to find research articles to prove what is normal and > >> > natural > >> >> while practices using what is detrimental to > >> >> birthing/breastfeeding/whatever continue without questioning. Please > >> >> consider looking the perpetrators in the eye and saying "First, do no > >> > harm! > >> >> - your practice is not 'normal' - prove to me that it is doing no > > harm!!" > >> >> > >> >> Cheers > >> >> Denise > >> >> > >> >> *************************************** > >> >> Denise Fisher > >> >> Health e-Learning > >> >> http://www.health-e-learning.com > >> >> [EMAIL PROTECTED] > >> >> > >> >> **************************************** > >> >> > >> >> -- > >> >> This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. > >> >> Visit <http://www.acegraphics.com.au> to subscribe or unsubscribe. > >> >> > >> > > >> > > >> > -- > >> > This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. > >> > Visit <http://www.acegraphics.com.au> to subscribe or unsubscribe. > >> > > >> > > >> > >> > >> -- > >> This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. > >> Visit <http://www.acegraphics.com.au> to subscribe or unsubscribe. > >> > > > > > > -- > > This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. > > Visit <http://www.acegraphics.com.au> to subscribe or unsubscribe. > > > > > -- > This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. > Visit <http://www.acegraphics.com.au> to subscribe or unsubscribe. >
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