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>>Interesting topic guys. I thought, (with your
permission of course), we could share this with Maggie Banks
(breech birth guru) for her comments. I'm not sure when
standing became vogue (well it's not really with the invent of
C/S) but thought her comments would be interesting. What do
you both think?Kiwi Kim.
Hi Kim,
I think that is a good idea, Maggie is a wise
woman. I read Maggies book on breech births not long ago, but I
read so much about birth all the info gets muddled! lol! I
borrowed it from a friend so don't have it here to look
up.
Please feel free to pass on the email and I
would love to hear Maggies thoughts and comments.
Love Abby
-------Original
Message-------
Date: 11/27/04
08:13:27
Subject: Re:
[ozmidwifery] Breech birth question
Hi Abby:
I would expect this midwife was
trained in breech birth management sometime ago probably by an ob
in the 70's who was still delivering babies at home as they did in
some parts of the US at this time. This midwife's address is
Massachusetts. It seems like she is reacting to the relatively new
idea to deliver breech babies standing/squatting/on a birthing
stool. It seems to me that "standing to deliver" a breech baby
came into vogue from the early 90's does anyone know when this
started happening?
I was more disturbed by this
paragraph:
10. Now bring the mother's buttocks over the edge of the bed,
keeping her legs supported by assistants. The baby's body will
drop down, easily exposing the nape of the neck and usually both
arms will come down as well. Keeping one hand on the mother's
perineum, grasp the baby's feet witht he other hand and swing the
body up and over onto the mother's abdomen. A towel or receiving
blanket will help in holding on to slippery body.
Just a "tad" to say the least more
aggressive than most accounts of semi-reclining breech births I
have read, seems quite dangerous to me, but I have only assisted
with 2 vaginal breech births, one in the hospital
(standing) and one at home (on a birth stool) and had one
myself. I would be interested to read comments from midwives who
have attended breech births where the woman is
semi-reclining.
I think "fear" is a much maligned
word in midwifery circles so i will use another word: caution.
Couple that with knowledge and common sense and you will cope with
most midwifery situations including breech birth.
marilyn
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Friday, November 26,
2004 3:53 AM
Subject: [ozmidwifery] Breech
birth question
Hi,
Just reading about breech births and
differences of opinions between caregivers. Came across this
comment, on a homebirth midwifes page and found it kinda odd. I
would expect it from some Obs and hospital staff, but not
sure what to make of this. There are other things on the page that
I think are weird eg. semi reclined position, do this, do that,
I'm in charge kind of attitude, but this comment struck me as
`fear`.
7. At this point the baby must be
born quickly. STAY CALM! It is possible for the baby to
suffocate if not born within 5 minutes.
Note: Time seems to stand still when we are under stress. Have an
assistant keep track of time. What will seem like twenty minutes
to you will have probably have been two!
Any midwives out there that have
differing views on breech births. I realise that these days most
women are encouraged to have c-sections, but thought some of you
would supported women at breech births.
I have learnt from a couple of wise
women that the best way for women to birth a breech baby is just
like any other baby, her way in her time.
Love Abby
(P.S. She also warns against the
advocation of the squatting position, where as Michel Odent
believes it should be insisted that women birth a breech baby
squatting?? Any thoughts??)
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