Thanks Maureen,

I was genuinely interested and am not looking to shoot you down :)  I'm not a 
midwife but a birth/baby junkie so hear lots of stories so thank you for a 
midwive's side of the story.

Jayne

> Ok I expect to get shot down, but here goes. A baby who is hungry, refusing
> the breast , no colostrum apparent, a stressed, crying mother who is
> considering bottle feeding. What's best?  Keep on trying to attach a
> fighting baby, mum in tears or a comp feed, settle both for a sleep,and try
> again next feed? I have seen this, babies wake, eager for a feed, mum's had
> a rest, and is more relaxed. Baby attaches with little fuss. Then there's
> the baby who has lost weight, looks hungry, poor out-put. Mum needs her milk
> supply built-up. This requires good food, rest and a relaxed mum. Expressing
> pc helps, as does a comp to settle baby and eas4e mum's mind. My first 3
> were all comped for the first couple of days, no confusion, no probs with
> attachment. I was more rested and it all went naturally. No allergies. No. 4
> child, different story. I knew so much, this baby was going to be fully B/F.
> Ha. Fed on demand, problem was this baby didn't wake for feeds, I was of the
> "she'll wake when she's hungry" school. Three weeks later below birth
> weight, hardly weeing, no poos. She has dairy milk protein allergy
> I also attended a very interesting talk by a genetic counsellor from the
> NBST people. Certain enzymes require protein and if baby doest feed it can
> die. I forget all the details, but the info was on the net. I'm sure some
> one out there knows a lot more.
> I support BF. I would have loved to have fed for a couple of years. But I do
> feel that the "all or nothing" attitude sets women up to fail.
> I have seen babies who have been chronically under bf. Scrawny, whiney and
> constantly fiddling at the breast. Not sleeping well, tired looking.  I will
> not comp a baby just because it's unsettled, I have read  Maureen Minchin's
> books and attended her lectures and have done the LC course. ----Original
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> >> I will tell her if I believe all is well, but there are times when a baby
> > genuinely needs comping.  Maureen
> 
> 
> Hi Maureen and anyone else who could enlighten me on the above comment about
> there being times when a baby genuinely needs comping,
> 
> Could you please be more specific ie, at what times would a baby genuinely
> need comping?
> 
> Thanks
> 
> Jayne
> 
> 
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