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helen same old story everywhere where dems were
placed. however if a registered nurse wants to she may hand in her general
registration and only be a midwife.
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Sent: Friday, April 01, 2005 2:00
AM
Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] Brisbane
hospitals & alleged discriminatory employment
Hi Andrea
Yea you have a very good point there. It
seems the general/mid trained midwives may end up drawing the short straw when
it comes to relieving and although this is not the DEMS
fault, they may cop the blame causing divisiveness which is not what the
profession needs.
Helen Cahill
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Thursday, March 31, 2005 11:16
PM
Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] Brisbane
hospitals & alleged discriminatory employment
The only thing I am disappointed about with the introduction
of DEM is the fact that they have made it mandatory that I have to continue
to register as a nurse to be eligible to register as a midwife. I was
looking forward to being able to give up my nursing registration so I could
not be sent to areas where I dont feel I want to work for whatever reason. I
have spent alot of time and money becoming an expert midwife and find it
frustrating to be continually expected to look after complex medical and
surgical patients who deserve a nurse who is an expert in the time of care
they need not any bum that can fill a seat.
I would be quite happy for
DEM to be employed in the organisation where I work. At the moment we share
being 'sent' because everyone hates it but the reality in our small rural
organisation is that midwives seem to get moved at will because our workload
is less predictable. Employing DEM will mean that a midwife who is also a RN
will be the one to get shifted and this will lead to frustration (because it
already does) which will be blamed on DEM when in reality it has nothing to
do with how they trained.
Andrea Quanchi
On 31/03/2005, at 7:50
PM, Helen and Graham wrote:
Hi Kim
Your
comments about the faces of the nurses arriving at the station for duty on
the maternity ward makes it occur to me that this fixation about Direct
Entry Midwives not being registered to work in other areas, should apply
both ways i.e. those general trained staff should not be registered
to work outside their areas of expertise i.e. maternity. Funny how
they don't seem to consider that to be an issue isn't it??!!! I
believe they should. The old "multiskilling" buzzword has been taken
too far on the one hand but they won't even allow a direct entry midwife
to do a few blood pressures in a general ward if they are needed.
I
realise that direct entry midwives are predominantly interested in working
in midwifery settings but it just seems a double standard to me when it
seems a lot of you are quite happy to help out if needed on general areas
and aren't allowed but general nurses can be made to work in maternity if
it suits the hospital.
It
also brings back memories of being "sent" to work in special care nursery
before I became a midwife and floundering with little support. Those
were the bad old days - or maybe that still happens too!
Just
some thoughts
Helen
Cahill
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Original Message -----
From:
Kim Stead
To:
ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au
Sent:
Thursday, March 31, 2005 10:35 AM
Subject:
Re: [ozmidwifery] Brisbane hospitals & alleged discriminatory
employment
Hi
guys
I
must jump in on this one as I too have been affected in this way here in
rural Victoria. Two hospitals would not employ me being a 'BMid'
despite the fact that one was actively advertising for midwives! I
was told it was because I could not be relocated. Same old story!
I also commented that I felt I was being discriminated against - I
was a midwife needing work, they needed staff - what was the
problem!
I
definitely felt a defensive 'feeling' when bringing up the word
discrimination. Basically I was told it was a 'management
decision' with financial implications for the establishment - general
nurses must be more cost effective? They needed versatile staff who
could work in any area at any time of which I could not, bound by my
registration not my unwillingness. I have since been employed at
one of these hospitals and so far all is going
well. Other's have been relocated on the odd time we
have been quiet which is hardly ever - usually the other way around - not
enough staff for the client-load. I can only recall this
happening on one of my rostered shifts. Mostly it is a case of
having to bring staff in to assist us. You should see the faces
of the nurses arriving at the nurses station for duty on the maternity
ward with all the chaos that goes on!!!! I think they are
equally as scared and who could blame them. We also have one other
DE midwife at the unit, more experienced and senior than I who arrived
before me and kept the DE aspect of her training to herself. Can't
say I blame her with all the affiliated rubbish that goes on with us
'special' midwives.
This
particular hospital are now introducing a grad program directed at DE
midwives. I think they are finally realising the fact that they need
staff and perhaps DE midwives might be part of the future workforce?
I think they are also accepting the fact that team and caseload are coming
and us "DE's" are fully equipped to work in this model. I
do believe that things are beginning to change - hopefully for the better.
At
times I find it quite humorous to remember that 'general
nurses' as lovely as you all are - were once direct entry too.
Kiwi
Kim - looking forward to this country getting their act together on
maternity issues!
-------Original
Message-------
From:
ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au
Date:
03/31/05 10:14:34
To:
ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au
Subject:
Re: [ozmidwifery] Brisbane hospitals & alleged discriminatory
employment
Sally-Anne,
I
wondered that too!
I
am a BMid student and have already been told that our local tertiary
hospital would not employ me. I then wondered if that was not a case for
discrimination.
Of
course their stance is that i cannot be deployed elsewhere in the
hospital. Funny how 100's of hospitals overseas and some here of course
already employ DEM's!
Kirsten
~~~start
life with a midwife~~~
-----
Original Message -----
From:
Sally-Anne
Brown
To:
ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au
Sent:
Thursday, March 31, 2005 8:56 AM
Subject:
Re: [ozmidwifery] Brisbane hospitals & alleged discriminatory
employment
Thanks for the update
Joanne and the reminder re my anti virus update. Had been away for a
few days and was updated yesterday around the same time I was on line.
Apologies I did not realise it wasn't finnished when I sent the email
through.
Nearly
all my ozmid mail appears to have an 'attachment' when it comes in but
actually doesn't. It is the email itself that is the 'attachment' if
you know what I mean. So the answer to your query is no I did not send an
attachment .... my guess is it was the email itself.
All
the best for the campaign to have all midwives employed who wish to work
at the Brisbane hosi's you mentioned will not employ DEM's. I think
they would need to be very careful they are not setting themselves up for
a discrimination claim/s as it is the registration board that determines
whether the training requirements of all midwives (here and o/s) have been
met to register as a midwife, and not the area health services. What
does the QLD rego board think about the hospitals taking the Rego board's
laws into their own hands ?
One
would think they might view this as the hospitals stepping over the line,
as one would imagine......!!
Kind
Regards
Sally-Anne
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Original Message -----
From:
Mrs Joanne M
Fisher
To:
ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au
Sent:
Wednesday, March 30, 2005 7:18 AM
Subject:
Re: [ozmidwifery] Re: testing my email again as I am receiving but unable
to send - sorry for the humbug
Not
sure why, but an attachment came with your email, did you send one?
Also, note at the bottom of this email the out-of-date internal virus
datatbase.
Cheers,
Joanne.
-----
Original Message -----
From:
Sally-Anne
Brown
To:
ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au
Sent:
Tuesday, March 29, 2005 5:38 PM
Subject:
Re: [ozmidwifery] Re: testing my email again as I am receiving but unable
to send - sorry for the humbug
Helen,
The
same thing has happenned to me over the past 2-3 weeks. I find the
odd one gets through and others don't.
Kind
Regards
Sally-Anne
-----
Original Message -----
From:
Helen and
Graham
To:
Ozmidwifery
Sent:
Sunday, March 27, 2005 5:13 PM
Subject:
[ozmidwifery] Re: testing my email again as I am receiving but unable to
send - sorry for the humbug
I
seem to be able to receive from but not send to the list. I
have contacted the list administrator but haven't heard anything back
yet....
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