i too like carina went to the PAC during my student days (for me the experience was one of closure ) i felt that this is one placement that as students we should all be able to go to as the staff of this particular instituiton are confidnet and non judgemental with women's feelings and what they want from the staff on any one particular day. The univeristy of S.A. were on this placement very supportive of my choice to go there and they were also very supportive when i asked to go to the clinic. women have to make choices which effect them their whole lives and i applaude anyone who goes through with this procedure as they then have to live witht he what ifs for the rest of their lives. as midwives we can onlyh support women in their choices and not be judgemental. regards sharon ---- Carina <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Hi Emily >
> I am a BMID student from SA and earlier this year I had my very first > Midwifery Placement in a termination clinic in Adelaide, where I got to > follow a woman through from the counselling to termination, and then > recovery and debriefing. I can tell you that your response to this scenario > is far closer to the mark than your examiners. The counselling that I > witnessed was completely devoid of value based judgements. I would consider > your examiners comments to be leading, his questions are obviously loaded. > We are taught (at Uni SA) that our role is to provide information, not to > advise. I think your response was right on the mark and if one of the expert > midwives from the Pregnancy Advisory Centre (termination clinic), was > marking your paper, you would receive great marks for demonstrating woman > centeredness etc, etc. This is how I too would have answered this question, > professionally, without value based judgement. Hang in there. > > Carina Brown > > > On 29/6/05 6:44 AM, "Emily" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > thanks everyone for the thoughtful replies. i guess my main problem was to do > > with the particular woman. since she was actually adamant and sure she and her > > partner didnt want a baby, i felt it was inappropriate to go into the > > logistics of having a baby (since she didnt think there was any chance she > > would!) > > anyway im going to let it slide. its just heart sinking when something you are > > very interested in and feel you are good at, someone in authority goes and > > tells you that youre bad at it > > btw im doing bmed > > love emily > > > > Jennifairy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >> Emily I sympathise, & I have 2 things to offer.. > >> some years ago I was late with my period, was definite that if I was > >> pregnant I would terminate, & went to a GP for a pregnancy test. The GP > >> asked me some of those questions your examiner wanted you to ask - at > >> the time I was living in a shed with no electricity, rainwater only, > >> while I was building my house. The GP told me that 'babies dont care > >> where they are', & actually refused to do the blood test. So I guess Im > >> saying - what are you asking the questions for? > >> I dont see what this womans fathers religious inclination has to do with > >> her decision-making process. Women in this situation are making what is > >> *always* a very difficult decision, & I think our job is to help her (if > >> she requires help) identify what the important (to her) issues are for > >> her to make a decis! ion she can live with. > >> Having said all that, & just recently graduating from BMid myself, I > >> also have to say that there are some things you have to do as a student > >> that you inherently believe is a complete crock. Sometimes you just have > >> to 'talk the talk', & then go & walk it the way you believe it should be > >> walked. One of the most important lessons I learnt at Uni was to > >> distinguish what walls I could butt my head against that would make the > >> most difference, & what walls would just leave me a blood-soaked wreck > >> (this was obviously experience-based learning - & its such a pity that > >> the 'science' of phrenology has become a thing of the past, as I could > >> probably get a job as a teaching model :) ) (Im sure there was a Monty > >> Python sketch about that..) > >> So, yeah, write the letter if you have the time, but dont let it get in > >> the way of blitzing the exams! > >> cheers > >> Jennifairy > >> > >> Emily wrote: > >> > >>> > hi everyone > >>> > im very sorry if this is too off topic, just ignore if it is!! > >>> > i had an exam today with a pretend patient who came in for > >>> > pregnancy test results. it was positive and she was very upset > >>> > cying etc and probably wanted to have an abortion. i let her talk > >>> > and found out how she felt and enquired about her partner's views, > >>> > whether she was studying or working and what her main concerns > >>> > where etc etc. as well as giving her unbiased info about her options > >>> > the feedback i got from the examiner, i really disagree with. he > >>> > said that i should have found out about her living conditions, how > >>> > big her home was, who she lived with, whether her partner had a > >>> > job... etc etc even what her dad would think about her having a > >>> > baby and whether he was religious ! > >>> > i feel that asking these questions of a distressed woman youre > >>> > seeing for the 1st time is just fulfilling your own cur! iosity. > >>> > it may help you make a value judgement of what you think she > >>> > should do but does asking her these things (that she already knows > >>> > the answers to) help her make the decision or just help you decide > >>> > your own opinion ?? also wouldnt you asking those sort of > >>> > questions express to her your opinion? ie if she answered she > >>> > lived in a one bedroom bedsitter and didnt have a partner or job, > >>> > then she may feel that youre saying these are reasons why she > >>> > shouldnt have the bub. > >>> > love to hear what your thoughts are because i might write a letter > >>> > to the faculty about it because i definately lost marks > >>> > thanks everyone - ahh exam stress hey? > >>> > emily > >>> > > >>> > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > >>> > Discover Yahoo! > >>> > Get on-the-go sports scores, stock quotes, news & more. 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