great! thats what i was hoping. i would have hated to find out that i needed to tell mums to ignore their feelings. do you know if theres any evidence to back this up b/c where im at at the moment they always do a VE before 'allowing' mum to push haha how sad
love emily --- Michelle Windsor <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I guess the big fear associated with pushing before > the woman is fully is that the cervix will either > swell up (and then take longer to dilate) or tear. > About the only time I've seen swelling of the cervix > is when women are directed to push by staff who have > been mistaken in their VE (ie not fully dilated). > I've never seen a problem with multi's who > involuntarily push before being fully dilated. My > sister had an ARM at 4 cm (induced) and began > pushing almost straight after and 15 mins later had > a baby! Where I work we rarely do VE's so I'm sure > that lots of our mums are pushing prior to being > fully and so far we haven't had any problems. > > Cheers > Michelle > > Emily <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > i have been wondering lately about the other side of > things. i was with a woman last week who was feeling > strong urges to push and was pushing involuntarily > at > the peak of each contraction from about 4cm. she > only > had two VEs - 4cm and 6cm. about half an hour after > the 6cm one everyone was still talking her through > breathing through the contractions and trying not to > push. she had been doing a lot of poo so i checked > her > to clean her up again and there i see half a little > head sitting on her peri. the poor poor lady still > trying not to push through that. > i feel awful that she never got to go with her > urges. > so what is the alternative? should women go with > what > their body tells them to do if that means pushing > way > before they're fully? she sustained quite a bad > posterior vaginal wall tear as well - would this be > related at all to pushing before full dilation? > > love to hear your opinions because i really did feel > bad for this poor lady having to fight her urges. > she > had so much faith in everyone.. > > ((anyway after all that she was very satisfied with > her birth, had 8 of her family including her > grandfather with her and a lovely baby girl.)) > love emily > > > --- jo wrote: > > > Interesting....I work with our local homebirth > > midwife as a doula and we had > > a client a few weeks back who never had the urge > to > > push, baby was finally > > born about 51/2 hours after full dilation. The > urge > > never came to her, she > > actively pushed towards the end - not directed by > > anyone...although not > > naturally occurring pushes. > > > > Jo Hunter > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On > > Behalf Of Päivi > > Sent: Thursday, 25 August 2005 7:31 AM > > To: [email protected] > > Subject: [ozmidwifery] if mother wants to be > > directed for pushing > > > > Hi again, > > > > Like I told you earlier, I have just started a > > childbirth education program. > > > > One of my students just gave birth and had a quick > > and straight forward > > unmedicated 1st stage, but ended up pushing for > > 1.45minutes. She said she > > had no idea, what she had to do and told very > > clearly to the midwife to > > direct her for pushing. I had promised to be her > > doula if she felt she > > needed me, but since it all went so quickly, she > > never called me. I was just > > > > wondering how I would have reacted to the > situation > > if I was there, since > > during the training we emphasized spontanious > > pushing, waiting for the urge > > to push and following your own feelings. I noticed > > there was discussion > > about pushing here a week ago and I read the > > wonderful artickle by Gloria > > Lemay too. But what if the mom wants to be > directed? > > Do you ever direct a > > woman in 2nd stage and if so, how? > > The bag of waters was broken in the end of > > transition and water was green. > > She was also given syntocin 40 minutes after she > > started pushing, because > > the contractions were getting less powerful... She > > said she never felt a > > real urge to push. She was pushing on all-fours > and > > on the low "birthing > > stool". The baby was average size. Do you find, > that > > not all women get the > > powerful urge to push, or is it just a matter of > > waiting enaugh? > > In my own two births I never found the pushing > very > > painful, but was not > > given syntocin either. Does the syntocin make the > > 2nd stage more painful? > > Many questions again... would like to hear about > > your experience. > > > > Paivi > > Childbirth educator > > > > -- > > This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. > > Visit to subscribe > > or unsubscribe. > > > > > > -- > > This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. > > Visit to subscribe > > or unsubscribe. > > > > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam > protection around > http://mail.yahoo.com > -- > This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. > Visit to subscribe or unsubscribe. > > > --------------------------------- > Do you Yahoo!? > Messenger 7.0: Make free PC-to-PC calls to your > friends overseas. 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