Thanks for this Gloria,
It makes things a lot clearer.
Cheers
Judy

--- G Lemay <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> 
> There ARE some important things with breech.  This is where
> your anatomy
> and physiology of the newborn is very important. 
> Understanding the
> circulatory system of the baby, the way the bones in the head
> fold over
> each other and the concept of creating an airway are some
> important
> considerations.  The main rule is "HANDS OFF", however, that
> is not all
> there is to it. With breech births it's important to have a
> period of 45
> mins from the time the woman feels like pushing till when she
> actively
> pushes, in order to prevent the head being caught on an
> undilated
> cervix.  Once the baby is born to the umbilicus, you have 7
> mins to
> complete the birth.  You want to avoid rushed handling but you
> also
> don't want to sit there like a lump.  The baby can be provoked
> to draw
> breath or shoot his/her arms above the head by meddlesome
> handling.  The
> body hanging (and I especially like the all 4's position for
> this) is
> Nature's way of bringing the back hairline to the introitus of
> the
> vulva.  Sometimes, even without stim. the arms will be up and
> it's
> important to turn the babe's hips using a cloth and not
> touching the
> delicate organs in the belly (you can rupture organs with your
> pointy
> little fingers when the baby's abdomen is engorged and your
> adrenal is
> running) so that the shoulders are antero-post diameter in the
> pelvis,
> then reaching in and gently sweeping them down.  sometimes
> this requires
> a second demi rotation for the second arm.  Once the babe's
> hairline is
> visible, then, it's important NOT to let the crown of the head
> "POP".
> Popping can result in a fatal tear to the cerebral
> tentorum---a drumlike
> membrane over the brain.  So, at this point, you reach a
> finger in, get
> the baby's lower jaw and gently pull the mouth and nose into
> sight.
> Once there, the mother is told "Stop all pushing."  Then she
> can stay
> like this for a very long time and all is well.  You want her
> to easy,
> easy, easy get the top of the head born so there is no "pop"
> and you
> know you have an airway to that baby.
> 
> One of the guidelines that Michel Odent stresses is to watch
> the first
> stage to tell you how the second stage will go with a breech. 
> If you
> have a smooth, progressive first stage, the second stage will
> follow
> that way.  If you're having a breech birth where the progress
> gets hung
> up or stuck and the butt doesn't come down to the vulva on its
> own, you
> want to consider cesarean as a safer option.
> Gloria
> 
>   Vedrana Valèiæ wrote:
> 
>  > Thank you, Gloria. In this article, it is said again that
> nothing must
>  > be done except flexing the head at the end and putting the
> woman in
>  > hands and knees position (or any position she feels right,
> I
>  > suppose?). Is there more to it than I'm getting. Because if
> there
>  > isn't, it sounds really simple to me. Do not interfere,
> just like in
>  > other kinds of births.
>  >
>  >
>  >
>  > Vedrana
> 
> 
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