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Sent: Friday, September 23, 2005 7:46 PM
Subject: Re: [MCVic] Castlemaine update

Hi Marney,
 
Congratulations, on all fronts.
 
I am surprised you've gone for the free standing pool in pref to the corner bath.
We have a free-standing pool at Rosebud Mid & a corner bath & of the 2 the corner is much cosier, the access isn't  a problem for the women, their partners or the midwives, we don't have doctors at births.
The pool is big & accessible from 3 sides but feels  a little exposed & open, not good for petite women either as some say they feel a bit overwhelmed by the large expanse of water. We use it alot ( we do alot of waterbirths at Rosebud ) but the smaller bath was nicer, easier to fill, kept hot longer, less water waste, smaller cosier room.........had quite a few advantages really but is in the middle of the post natal ward whereas the pool is in the actual birth suite.
If we were building again, I think we'd do it differently that's for sure but access from 3 sides is probably (for better access/OHS thingies),
the issue if anyone collapses ( which has never happened in 12 years & as I say ,we do alot of waterbirths).
A pre-formed spa (our pool is a poured concrete shell) would have been a better option, with inset seats, kneeling ledges etc, we did try to tell the designers this but as usual 'they' told the midwives we didn't know anything & their way was better so we got the concrete pool.
 
I think Rosebud sort of slips under the radar with the progressive mid there but would often have 15 years of experience in stuff other units could benefit from.
 
If I can be any help with practical hands on teaching in the water-birth fields please pass on to Cate I am only too happy to help ( 20 years of exp might be useful somewhere).
 
Cheers
Brenda Manning
 
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Sent: Friday, September 23, 2005 7:08 PM
Subject: Re: [MCVic] Castlemaine update

Hi Ellie
Thank you for the update. Congratulations on your pregnancy. How beautiful it
will be to birth in your own home.

I hope Louise Hartley has read this update (Louise are you reading this?)
because this will go well in the next Vic newsletter.

Regards
LESLIE

e marney wrote:

> hi all!
>
> it's been a while between updates, and it's been a busy time, but i've been
> trying to keep current through reading the weblist.  this list is really my
> most valuable resource - and a fantastic source of support as well.
>
> * the Labour Bath - well, things are slowly but surely *moving*, which is
> great.  the Mt Alexander hospital midwives have really decided to back this,
> and this has meant that progress is coming on faster.  through a wonderful
> midwife, cate wotley, who works within the hospital and is a great advocate
> for natural birth, the midwives have been convinced of the efficacy of water
> immersion, and the usefulness of a bath.  the admin is still cautious, but
> it seems that if we can change the proposed shape of the bath from a
> triangle corner to an oval-shaped bath (for better access/OHS thingies),
> then they will be happy to show their support.
>
> i am in the early stages of applying for a council community development
> grant, and i am meeting with my administration contact within the hospital
> this coming wednesday to discuss how i might be able to begin this
> application on the hospital's behalf.  i think the theme seems to be, if
> someone else can provide the money, they'll install the bath asap, and if
> they can actually *get* the money with as little effort on their part as
> possible, then they will be all for it!!
>
> so my efforts over the next few weeks will be focussed on getting the
> application completed, with attendant quotes and so on, by the
> early-november closing date.  approvals for grants won't be signed off until
> the early new year, so it will be 2006 at the earliest before we get our
> bath.  but we have 500+ signatures on petitions, and letters to the
> hospital, and a whole slew of documentation of community support and need,
> and i feel confident that they can't turn us down again (our first
> application was made 2004).  i guess we'll just keep our fingers crossed...
>
> * re: large attachments on the weblist - i'm sorry to point this out, but
> i've been having a lot of trouble getting larger attachments downloaded, and
> i was wondering if i was the only one.  part of it is, i think, that most
> attachments now are designed to be dealt with by broadband, and out here in
> the sticks my meagre dial-up will simply not cope.  at the moment i think i
> lose anything up to an hour and a half in slow-loading time every time i get
> online, so you can imagine that downloading anything over 100KB is starting
> to wear  me out.
>
> i was wondering, if people are amenable to the idea, if it would be possible
> to use weblist messages to link to the item in question.  i know it won't be
> possible for everything though, so if anyone has a better idea, it'd be
> great to hear it.
>
> * Ballarat 'Options for Birth' Forum - margaret stangl has contacted me
> about this upcoming forum, which has changed dates from october to november.
>   it looks like it could be a really great event, and i have the
> flyers/materials that people have sent (thanks di, joy), so as soon as
> advertising is prepared we can start spreading the word. looking forward to
> it - more news as it comes.
>
> * my attention has been somewhat divided over the last few months, as i
> found out that i'm expecting another baby.  it's still very early yet - i'm
> 10 weeks, and this will be our third - but we're all very excited!  once we
> get past the first trimester (i'm having a scan in 2 weeks), i'll be greatly
> relieved, not to mention being glad to be getting over morning sickness.
> i'll be well supported with Sally McCrae here in Castlemaine, and Pippa
> Worth will be 'following-through' the journey with me as well, and i have to
> say that i'm looking forward to having a baby here in our house, the first
> home we've owned, and a beautifully warm, wonderful-feeling place to birth.
>
> so that's it for Castlemaine at the moment, and hope you're all going well.
> anybody out there who's over my way, feel free to give me a yell on 5476
> 4142.  any more news, and you'll be the first to know (if i can overcome a
> bit of tiredness - yawn!).  thinking of you all, and take care -
>
> ellie marney
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