Hi - I would agree with Barb - the no cry sleep solution for toddlers has some great ideas and suggestions and is very gentle and loving in its approach. I am sure you would find some helpful information. Maxine
----- Original Message ----- From: "Barbara Glare & Chris Bright" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Wednesday, October 26, 2005 8:18 AM Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] Older Children's Sleep > Hi, > > There's a no cry sleep solution for toddlers. It's avaiable everywhere, but > you could get it on the Australian Breastfeeding Association's sales site at > www.mothersdirect.com.au > > For me, Guan 3 still sleeps with us. In fact when she was adopted from > China she was in a *great* sleep routine - put to bed at 8pm- got up at 6, > so the translated routine said. But after 3 other children that seemed way > too weird for me. So we bought her into our bed, and she sleeps like all my > children have slept, snuggled between mum and dad in the kingsized bed. And > will they ever get out? Well, you could ask Zac, 12 and Dan 10. They'd > probably just give you a withering look and deny they ever slept with mum. > > Barb > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Kate &/or Nick" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: Wednesday, October 26, 2005 7:44 AM > Subject: [ozmidwifery] Older Children's Sleep > > > > Can anyone point me in a direction for 3yo sleep issues? > > > > Mine has always been a bad sleeper but she has got worse in the last year > > (with the transition from a cot?). Between the 2 of them (6yo, but 90% > > Miss > > 3), I would consider it a good night if I am up 4 times for 20 mins each > > time. Bad nights are at least every hour. I'm starting to find that by 6pm > > I > > am exhausted and far too crabby - and so are they. Going to bed isn't a > > problem. > > > > Sometimes I go to the crying (last night was 7 times in one hour, plus > > four > > other blocks) but mostly it seems to have no effect. At times I don't > > think > > she even realises I'm there and I can't get through to her. Others she'll > > settle, but within 3 minutes, she starts again. Others she'll insist on > > coming to my room. Sometimes I don't go in, and she will eventually come > > to > > me. > > > > We have a mattress on the floor right next to me, which is used every > > night. > > It usually doesn't alter the wakenings (but it makes my life a bit > > easier). > > I have slept in her room, with no effect.While my eldest was away in the > > school holidays (6 nights), I slept in her room, right next door to Miss > > 3. > > The last couple of nights I was only woken briefly 2-3 times a night, but > > that has happened in the past and wasn't enough for me to think it was > > anything more than a temporary aberration. It returned to normal with her > > sister's return - even though I slept on a mattress outside their rooms. > > Being close to me (and she is a definite Mummy's girl) just doesn't seem > > to > > be the solution. > > > > The issue is coming to a head because my husband has had an amazing > > ability > > to sleep through it. He will sometimes wake at 4 or 5 to find me in tears > > and has no idea why - usually that I have been up all night and haven't > > yet > > been to sleep. However, for the last month, for some reason, it has been > > waking him. So he is at breaking point and telling me we need to do > > something. > > > > I'm concerned about heading off to a sleep guru because I have no > > intention > > of locking her in her room - and that's what it will take to keep her in > > her > > room. But it won't stop the crying which I know can go on for hours (and I > > can't sleep through it). > > > > The sleep discussion has focussed on infants - but what about older > > children? Can anyone give me ideas/point me towards something? > > > > Many thanks > > > > Kate > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Barbara Glare & Chris Bright" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > To: <[email protected]> > > Sent: Tuesday, October 25, 2005 9:46 PM > > Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] Infant Sleep - UPDATE > > > > > > Hi, > > > > If you are interested in Elizabeth Pantley's No Cry Sleep Solution, you > > can > > hear her speak at ABA seminars in Brisbane, Sydney, Melbourne, Perth and > > Adelaide from March 2nd-7th 2006. It's going to be fabulous - heaps of > > other great speakers, too. I'd love to be able to direct you to the > > website > > so you can register straight away......but I can't. It's not finished > > yet. > > The brochures will be out soon, so I'll keep you informed. For ABA > > subscribers and LRC subscribers, you will get information in Essence and > > Breastfeeding Review. The seminars are open to all midwives, mothers, > > health professionals of all types, esp those with a passion for > > breastfeeding. > > > > Barb > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "JoFromOz" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > To: <[email protected]> > > Sent: Tuesday, October 25, 2005 3:21 PM > > Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] Infant Sleep - UPDATE > > > > > >> Thanks so much to everyone who replied with advice and well wishes. > >> > >> Just thought I'd write a short update on our progress. I have 3 days > >> left > >> of my non-dairy diet ... I haven't really noticed a change in Will's > >> skin, > >> or daytime naps, but the nights have been a little better the last 2 or > >> 3. > >> I have read "The No-Cry Sleep Solution" and began implementing strategies > >> on Friday. I logged our wakings Thursday night, and they equalled 13... > >> 11 of which I had to actually do something about. > >> The strategy basically involves removing the suck-to-sleep association > >> ever so slowly, so that they get used to not having to suck to sleep, and > >> therefore don't expect to still be sucking on anything when they slightly > >> rouse in the light sleep phase. I have been waiting until he is almost > >> asleep and removing the dummy, so the last thing he remembers before > >> going > >> to sleep is not having anything in his mouth. > >> It has been working for night sleeps - he goes from about 10:30/11:00pm > >> till 3. HEAVEN! He then joins us in our bed, where we sleep fairly > >> well, > >> on and off the breast, until about 7am. He feeds till almost asleep, then > >> pulls off himself and turns his head away. > >> Daytime naps need work, but I need to be patient :) > >> > >> So, things are looking up, and there is no CIO or any other horrible mean > >> or nasty strategies. As Pinky says, Gently With Love. > >> > >> Thanks again people! > >> > >> Love Jo > >> > >> -- > >> This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. > >> Visit <http://www.acegraphics.com.au> to subscribe or unsubscribe. > >> > >> > > > > > > -- > > This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. > > Visit <http://www.acegraphics.com.au> to subscribe or unsubscribe. > > > > -- > > This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. > > Visit <http://www.acegraphics.com.au> to subscribe or unsubscribe. > > > > > > > -- > This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. > Visit <http://www.acegraphics.com.au> to subscribe or unsubscribe. > -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. 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