The thing with dogs' c/s rate skyrocketing though is that is more often going to be the owners meddling with the natural process than the vets. The vets generally don't get involved until after things have gone wrong. Even then I believe my vet generally tries leaving the bitch alone in a dark room for a while to see if that will start things back up. This of course relates fairly directly to Brenda's comments below about consumer pressure for IOL (and elective c/s).
At 9:41 PM +1100 27/12/05, jesse/jayne wrote: >The rate of c-sect for dogs has also sky rocketed :) > >It's not only horses' birthing but ask any farmer/breeder of >cows/sheep/horses or I guess any mammal for that fact about the shortcomings >of an animal baby that is denied colostrum for any reason. Why do humans >think they are any different? Humans are supposed to be the intelligent >ones! > >Regards > >Jayne > > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "brendamanning" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >To: <[email protected]> >Sent: Tuesday, December 27, 2005 8:54 PM >Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] Let baby decide birth date > > >> A huge number of women demand IOL from 37/40 onwards, like you Janet,(btw >> your views make perfect sense to me) I despair of how how to get the >message >> across that the 'process' of birth will happen when all the participants >are >> ready ie the baby, the mothers mind & her body. Sometimes in clinic I see >> women exert enormous pressure on the OB to IOL when he's not fussed about >> it & would happily "await events". >> >> Perhaps the issue is that the animals won't sue the vet if something >happens >> to their offspring because they were post-dates & no one intervened ! >> Whereas the women or their partners/families/GPs will. >> Litigation has a lot to answer for, CYA (cover your arse) medicine alive & >> well ! >> >> With kind regards >> Brenda Manning >> www.themidwife.com.au >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Jo Bourne" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >> To: <[email protected]> >> Sent: Tuesday, December 27, 2005 7:05 PM >> Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] Let baby decide birth date >> >> >> >A friend of mine is a vet and we had a very similar discussion not that >> >long ago about dogs and the iniation of labour and a few other things. I >> >remember laughing at her and saying so if vets know all this about dogs >why >> >don't Drs know it about humans, we can't be that different! >> > >> > At 4:37 PM +1030 27/12/05, Julie Garratt wrote: >> >>So, I was chatting with a family friend who breeds show horses. >> >>> Talking about postdates, etc. He laughed at me. Apparently, any horse >> >>> breeder worth his salt knows that 1) the foal initiates birth, 2) any >> >>> breeder who induces labor is a fool, 3) foals that come from induced >> >>> labors are inferior (have long term health difficulties, etc), 4) >> >>> induced labors are hard on both foal and mare, and 5) some foals just >> >>> take longer, and gestational dates are just a guess. >> >>> >> >>> If this is "common knowledge" amongst horse breeders, >> >>> fercryingoutloud, why isn't it for human breeders???? >> >>> >> > >> > >> > -- >> > Jo Bourne >> > Virtual Artists Pty Ltd >> > -- >> > This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. >> > Visit <http://www.acegraphics.com.au> to subscribe or unsubscribe. >> >> -- >> This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. >> Visit <http://www.acegraphics.com.au> to subscribe or unsubscribe. > >-- >This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. >Visit <http://www.acegraphics.com.au> to subscribe or unsubscribe. -- Jo Bourne Virtual Artists Pty Ltd -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit <http://www.acegraphics.com.au> to subscribe or unsubscribe.
