I think I can understand where Nicole is coming from, or maybe this is just another angle...you read so many stories in women's magazines (not that I read them :) ) about celebrities and how quickly they lose weight after pregnancy, and I always wonder how much of a negative impact this may have on women who think they need to imitate these celebrities to still look sexy. Body image etc can be a big thing for some women and I hate to think of women losing weight quickly (and potentially dangerously?) after pregnancy by going on really low-cal, low-card diets, just like "such-and-such" did.

Kylie


From: "Nicole Carver" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Reply-To: [email protected]
To: <[email protected]>
Subject: RE: [ozmidwifery] Weight gain in pregnancy
Date: Sun, 29 Jan 2006 19:50:20 +1100

Hi Amanda,
As I said, the risks are small, and decreasing all the time. I was stating
that the information that we have (about toxins being released into the
blood stream when weight is lost by women who are breast feeding) should be
a caution to anyone who wishes to intentionally lose a large amount of
weight when pregnant or breast feeding. I would never ever suggest that
women should stop breastfeeding because of fear of these toxins, unless the
risk outweighed the benefits, and I would not be the judge of that.
Kind regards,
Nicole.
  -----Original Message-----
  From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Synnes
  Sent: Sunday, January 29, 2006 6:02 PM
  To: [email protected]
  Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] Weight gain in pregnancy


I was always told that one of the best ways to get rid of extra pregnancy kilo's (usually stored as fat) was to breastfeed? whether your start weight
at the beginning of pregnancy was 110kg or 50kg there will be excess fat in
the body, should we stop breastfeeding for fear of  these toxins?  Some
women like me (luckily, but only for the first month) lose weight after
giving birth very rapidly without even trying, I droped 18kg in two weeks
after my second baby was born (I am also overweight). Mothers and
Mothers-to-be have enough stress as it is without this, I say-  baby
healthy, mum healthy then job well done on her behalf!

  Aren't there more toxins in the air we breath than those released by fat
cells in weight loss?

  Amanda
    ----- Original Message -----
    From: Nicole Carver
    To: [email protected]
    Sent: Sunday, January 29, 2006 1:34 PM
    Subject: RE: [ozmidwifery] Weight gain in pregnancy


    Hi all,
    I have been through my lactation textbooks, which are getting a bit
ancient I must admit, regarding the safety or otherwise of dieting in
pregnancy question. I was able to find a reference to toxins in breastmilk
in Breastfeeding Matters by Maureen Minchin on p28-30 "A baby's exposure to
toxins may be increased if his mother diets sufficiently to break down body
fat during lactation, as fat-soluble chemicals may be excreted in milk.
Hence mothers should not aim at rapid weight loss during lactation. " It is
easier for chemicals to get to the foetus than it is for them to get to
breast fed infants, so one may assume that there is some degree of risk
during pregnancy from dieting IF there are pesticides in the mother's fat
stores. It may be difficult to assess the degree of risk for a particular
woman, but loss of large amounts of fat, particularly fat that has been
there a long time, during pregnancy may be inadvisable.

    I have been trawling through some websites I obtained from a google
search and it seems that pesticides in human milk (and presumably in
everyone's bodies) are dropping, as many have been banned from use. However
the number of sites that I found indicate that this has been of concern to
many poeple. Worth a look, but I think the risks are fairly small unless a
woman has been working with the chemicals herself or perhaps if she lives on
a farm where they have used a lot of these chemicals in the past (they take
a long time to break down).

    On the other side of the coin, I did some searches about dieting in
pregnancy and came up with this website for plus-size women:


http://www.plus-size-pregnancy.org/Dieting_and_Pregnancy.html#Dieting%20Duri
ng%20Pregnancy

The other websites which mentioned dieting in pregnancy advised against
it due to the additional nutritional requirements of the mother due to the
needs of the fetus and physiological changes in the mother. Personally, I
always lose weight (up to 10kg) at the start of my pregnancies due to
'morning sickness'. I usually regain this weight, plus a little more, mainly
in the last month. My pregnancy outcomes seem to be fine (kids now 7-19
years old).

    From all of this I think it probably inadvisable to lose large amounts
of weight during pregnancy, and particularly for women who may have had
exposure to harmful chemicals. However, a small weight loss, such as that
achieved by Judy's friend (6kg), particularly if they are gradual, might be
OK. It seems like an area that could do with some more research, however, it
is not a topic that lends itself to a randomised controlled trial!

    Regards,
    Nicole.


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