I just emailed the editor of Practical Parenting, Lynne Cossar. You can
read
what I had to say below, but if you could please forward this onto
everyone
to email in their own comments of support for Pinky and lack of support
for
Tizzie, that would be a great way to show them what the public really
think.
I hope lots of people join me on this crusade ;) I wrote to Lynne Cossar
at
[EMAIL PROTECTED]:
Lynne,
I just wanted to write a letter to you personally, as the editor of a very
popular, highly influential parenting magazine in regards to one of your
writers.
Many women on my very busy forum discuss Tizzie's advice and routines (in
a
very civil manner) and it's come to her attention and she's threatened to
sue me because firstly I questioned her education status (I wanted her to
clarify tertiary psychology studies as written on her site - is this or is
this not a psychologist) and then she changed her mind and decided she'd
instead try to go for a comment where a member had said she promoted
'crying
it out'. I know she leaves babies to cry but doesn't come back which is
called 'extinction' so I don't understand what she is on about there.
I don't think you can publish what I want to say, but there are many, many
online forums on the internet, particularly in Australia who have far
worse
things to say about Tizzie and her routines. Her conduct has been far from
professional, she seems to have 'spies' or plants who sign up in these
forums and defend her, but like I say, its only one person who doesn't
post
before or after this 'defense' post.
You might like to read the discussion on my site:
http://bellybelly.com.au/forums/viewtopic.php?t=21037
And there are plenty of other sites too, which are not just alternative
sites but mainstream too, but a small selection:
http://forums.naturalparenting.com.au/archive/index.php/t-9370.html
http://www.alternativebaby.net/modules.php?name=Forums&file=viewtopic&p=3525
3
http://64.233.179.104/search?q=cache:MjwkW9bX0MsJ:www.birth.com.au/forum/pri
ntthread.php%3Ft%3D4945%26pp%3D40+tizzie+hall+deep&hl=en&gl=au&ct=clnk&cd=13
http://64.233.179.104/search?q=cache:WbluknKgWRcJ:www.naturalparenting.com.a
u/forums/printthread.php%3Ft%3D6168+tizzie+hall+sleep+expert&hl=en&gl=au&ct=
clnk&cd=15
http://64.233.179.104/search?q=cache:wfOU0LXzcpEJ:www.essentialbaby.com.au/c
FForum/viewmessages.cfm%3Fforum%3D108%26topic%3D150862+tizzie+hall+sleep+exp
ert&hl=en&gl=au&ct=clnk&cd=26
I really think it would be in the best interest of Practical Parenting to
find another 'sleep' person (I don't like using the word expert as I
believe
this honouring title belongs to parents), Tizzie is ridiculed and
disregarded on many sites and as you can see from the links, some people
want refunds from their Practical Parenting subscriptions due to Tizzie's
articles.
I know Tizzie is friends with some of you in Practical Parenting, but you
have a huge power and even a responsibility of sorts at hand, to change
the
way society is supporting and dealing with mums and their babies. We need
to
work with the root cause, which is a stand out lack of support and extra
hands for mums - then we can deal with the issues much easier.
I know you publish Pinky's articles every now and again - why not give her
the big spreads that Tizzie has, Pinky gives power to the mums and lets
them
be the mum they want to be. The confidence Pinky imparts on mothers gives
them the strength to deal with the issues and it does work!!! I've been to
many of her talks and heard women chat amongst themselves afterwards,
saying
how much better of a mum they feel now. How wonderful is that and how much
better could that be! She normalizes motherhood and doesn't make us feel
like if our babies aren't sleeping then something is wrong with them or we
are doing something wrong.
Pinky has given me the best advice since my daughter failed two weeks of
sleep school - she is now four and I have a second child, yet Pinky still
helps me a great deal even now I am a more experienced mum. You can never
stop getting great advice from experienced mums. I see Pinky as such a
nurturing, warm, loving mother figure and without her, I seriously wonder
where I would be, and I know it would not be a good place. She keeps me
going when I feel all is lost.
Pinky an amazing, intelligent woman who is not as money hungry to charge
women for advice with their babies, please give her a go and do something
massively positive for women around the world. Pinky has many children,
great training, education and experience and mums love her. Please do
something and please do it soon! I would happily promote more of Practical
Parenting should there be more mum-friendly articles in it, especially if
they are Pinky McKay's. the majority (I honestly believe that if you ran a
poll you'd easily get in the 90th percent) don't want to hear from Tizzie
and her terrible routines, we want Pinky.. I hope you can seriously
consider
this, as after her huge performance on my site, people have been emailing
me
left, right and centre telling me that any little respect that had for her
is now gone and they have lowered their opinion of her.
If you like I can have lots more people emailing you to back all this up,
in
fact I will pass on details as you will see for yourself just how
passionate
we are about changing society to help women raise beautiful little human
beings and not manage an inconvenience.
Feel free to call me anytime or email.
Best Regards,
Kelly Zantey
Director, www.bellybelly.com.au & www.toys4tikes.com.au
Gentle Solutions For Conception, Pregnancy, Birth & Baby
Australian Little Tikes Specialists
-----Original Message-----
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Kelly Zantey
Sent: Monday, 20 February 2006 2:04 PM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] Babies & Sleep Again...
Could the list moderator please edit / delete my post where I included
the email from them, they now have a legal disclaimer at the bottom of
their emails and I am sure they'll try anything if they see it.
They have now changed their mind, they aren't suing me over the
education thing now but have decided they'd like to sue for a members
comments saying that she does the 'cry it out' thing... FFS! So I said:
"This is a joke! Is Tizzie a psychologist or not? A simple yes / no will
be fine so I can announce on BellyBelly the truth. Why are you all
continuing to avoid the question then change the topic?
I think it is you who are confused, in your initial email you said you
are suing BellyBelly over words leading to question tizzie's education.
*edited out to remove email sent by them, but this is a sum up*
So to me, that sounds like legal action for questioning the
qualifications. Are you going to keep picking at every little thing
until you can find something that you can sue for?! Maybe you can get a
bulk discount with your lawyers to sue all the sites that disagree with
Tizzie. How come you have to sue people to protect yourselves, surely if
you believe in what you do and that it's innocent, you would have
posted all the truths, and would be happy to debate in a public media
forum. Hiding behind legal action leads all to wonder even more!"
OoOOh I am getting nasty... I better take a valium and have a sleep! LOL!
One routine/sleep trainer down, how any to go???!!
On 2/20/2006, "Cate Tischler" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
Kelly, that's ridiculous, Tizzie (baby torturor) saying she'll sue you for
something written on a forum! But, uno it could only be a good thing if
she
tried!! Imagine all the bad publicity she'd get ;)
Cate
---- Kelly Zantey <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
But thats the thing, define tertiary psychology studies? Why doesn't she
promote that she is a qualified psychologist? What DID she study at uni?
For all we know it could be an arts degree with some psychology subjects
- she doesnt say but since she doesnt promote that she is a psychologist
I find it highly unlikely she has any idea psychologically speaking,
about what she is doing to those poor mums and bubs. How can you
promiose a mum results in 24 hours? And how are those mums going to feel
when they realise that is unrealistic? And how dare she make us feel so
inadequate that we lack the tools to soothe our babies so quickly and
that we could be sleeping through if we follow her advice?? It should be
illegal! There should be a governing body these people have to register
through to make sure they are being watched... not to promote these
sleep people, but to stop the ripping us off for bad advice.
On 2/20/2006, "Janet Fraser" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>OK I take that back : )
>"Born and raised in Ireland, Tizzie started her Save Our Sleep (SOS)
>business in the United Kingdom in 1996 after tertiary psychology
>studies
and
>a career in private childcare."
>But even so, she's talking a crock on her site so obviously it was a
wasted
>education ; )
>J
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "Kelly Zantey" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>To: <[email protected]>
>Sent: Monday, February 20, 2006 11:50 AM
>Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] Babies & Sleep Again...
>
>
>LOL Janet, I am trying to hang in there and am biting my tongue so hard
I
>think it's going to start bleeding!!!
>
>I got an email from her office, an assistant Penny who told me this:
>
>To whom it may concern:
>
>Save Our Sleep is going to commence legal action on Monday. You have
>put
>up words which lead people to question Tizzie Hall's education and if
>you did your sums you would see it was quite possible for Tizzie to
>have
>studied for 6 years. If Tizzie went to school from the age of 4 to 18
>and did 6 years in University which you actually don't have to in the
>UK as it is only a 4 year course it would be possible to then have
>started Save Our Sleep in 1996 with a couple of years in the middle. So
>really you should have go your fact straight before making accusations
>that are fiction. This is called defamation of character and we Save
>Our
>Sleep are holding www.bellybelly.com.au <http://www.bellybelly.com.au/>
>responsible.
>
>Kind regards
>
>Penny"
>
>And funny, everyone from Tizzie's office all greet people with 'Hi:'
>so I think it's all a big stunt from her office and a set-up on the
>forums... unless she is also teaching her clients to be educated and
>greet people with a 'Hi:' !!!!!
>
>
>On 2/20/2006, "Janet Fraser" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>>Kelly I have to tell you you're a goddess for taking on this crap.
People
>>cynically making money telling lies to parents and torturing their
>children,
>>sometimes in their own homes!
>>Stick with it!
>>Janet <- shouting hooray at the screen!!!
>>
>>
>>----- Original Message -----
>>From: "Kelly Zantey" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>>To: <[email protected]>
>>Sent: Monday, February 20, 2006 10:54 AM
>>Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] Babies & Sleep Again...
>>
>>
>>Haha she wants to sue me for questioning her education!!! Do you think
my
>>comments are valid in my reply?
>>http://bellybelly.com.au/forums/viewtopic.php?p=382146#382146
>>
>>On 2/18/2006, "pinky mckay" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>>When james, our youngest was 3 he said one day " mummy, booby makes
>>>me
>feel
>>>brave when I get scared"
>>>
>>>To me, that validates all I feel about little people and
breastfeeding. I
>>>agree, WE are each the experts about our babies.
>>>
>>>I love a quote from an article by Kitty Frantz - you are not
>>>managing
an
>>>inconvenience, you are raising a human being."
>>>
>>>Pinky
>>>
>>>Pinky
>>>
>>>----- Original Message -----
>>>From: "Helen and Graham" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>>>To: <[email protected]>
>>>Sent: Saturday, February 18, 2006 8:54 PM
>>>Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] Babies & Sleep Again...
>>>
>>>
>>>> My husband and I have both just read your words with absolute
>>>> understanding of where you are coming from. He has always been so
>>>> supportive of our child's need to get "boobie" when he needed it.
It
>was
>>>> always more than a feed, he would sometimes be squarking for
whatever
>>>> reason,
>>>>
hot/cold/unhappy/out-of-sorts/lonely/needing-company/whatever......he
>>>> would say give him the "magic mountains" and the little darling
would
>>just
>>>> roll his eyes back into his head as he "got on" and before we knew
it --
>>>> it was like some kind of electrical discharge with all the angst
just
>>>> going...going...gone... and he was happy........so happy....
>>>>
>>>> Helen and Graham
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>> From: "Megan & Larry" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>>>> To: <[email protected]>
>>>> Sent: Saturday, February 18, 2006 8:37 PM
>>>> Subject: RE: [ozmidwifery] Babies & Sleep Again...
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> After 7 1/2 years and 4 children, I know with all my heart that
>>>>> breastfeeding isn't all about food. My last child, 19 mths old, is
my
>>>>> confirmation that when he comes to me for a feed he is seeking so
much
>>>>> more.
>>>>> Through my milk and the act of feeding, at whatever time, he is
getting
>>>>> his
>>>>> cup full, food, attention, comfort, confidence, courage, love, the
list
>>>>> just
>>>>> goes on and on.
>>>>> I don't need science or education to tell me how suitable
breastfeeding
>>>>> on
>>>>> demand is to a young child.
>>>>>
>>>>> I know its not eveyones cup of tea, nor an option for some and to
be
>>>>> honest
>>>>> it can be bloody tiring.
>>>>>
>>>>> I chose it for my 3rd & 4th boys, the lack of sleep has cost me a
lot
>at
>>>>> times, but having done the Mum controlled (for want of a better
word)
>>and
>>>>> the child controlled, I choose the latter without a seconds
thought.
>>>>>
>>>>> But that's me and as Brenda said, I'm the expert on me, everyone
else
>>>>> needs
>>>>> to sort that out for themselves.
>>>>>
>>>>> As youngest is pulling my hands away from keyboard demanding boob
>>heaven,
>>>>>
>>>>> See ya
>>>>> Megan
>>>>>
>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>>>>> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Ken
>>>>> WArd
>>>>> Sent: Saturday, 18 February 2006 5:51 PM
>>>>> To: [email protected]
>>>>> Subject: RE: [ozmidwifery] Babies & Sleep Again...
>>>>>
>>>>> DAAIRY FARMERS MAY MILK AT THE SAME TIMES EACH DAY, BUT CALVES
>>>>> FEED
ALL
>>>>> THE
>>>>> TIME, WHENEVER THEY ARE HUNGRY.
>>>>> AS HUMAN BABIES NEED TO. WHO IS HUNGRY AT THE SAME TIME EVERY DAY?
ALL
>>>>> ANIMALS FEED AS REQUIRED AND I AM YET TO SEE ONE WITH A WATCH.
MAUREEN
>>>>>
>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>>>>> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Kelly
Zantey
>>>>> Sent: Saturday, 18 February 2006 3:47 PM
>>>>> To: [email protected]
>>>>> Subject: [ozmidwifery] Babies & Sleep Again...
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Please ignore this post if it's innapropriate, but bit of a
>>controversial
>>>>> discussion going on in the forums, wondering if anyone out there
>>>>> is
up
>>to
>>>>> replying at all?
>>>>> http://bellybelly.com.au/forums/viewtopic.php?p=381206
>>>>>
>>>>> Would be nice to have some other pro-gentle back-up!
>>>>>
>>>>> Kelly Zantey
>>>>> www.bellybelly.com.au
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