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Well Barb thanks for that.  I can assure you that the women I "claim to care for" are very well looked after and I resent the inference made with that remark.  I am in fact a member of my professional body the RCM and a member of the ANF and a member of the ARM(Association of Radical Midwives) I do not think or feel like I am an Island. I have been a midwife for 20 years and am well aware of my accountability. Respecting all views is surely that ALL views.  All I am trying to get over is a full debate of what we are going to get with the insurance that is on offer.   I not expect to benefit or be rewarded by any wins or pay rises negotiated on my behalf.  I don't want an insurance offer put on the table on my behalf that I may not want but if agreed to I will be obliged to take or marginalise myself further.  I'm sure that you can understand that. That's why a healthy discussion now is invaluable to us all. and mud slinging not productive.
Lisa
----- Original Message -----
From: B & G
Sent: Thursday, September 07, 2006 10:36 AM
Subject: RE: [ozmidwifery] Fw: PI Insurance - urgent - more interested midwives needed

Lisa,
There is a word that describes those who are not members of an organisation/collective that declines to financially contribute to collective funds or provide input or energies yet expect to benefit or be rewarded by the wins such as pay rises negotiated by a collective group such as by a union. I will not say the word in such polite company but others will know a festering sore heals ever so slowly when constantly rubbed. I get rubbed by this all the time!
 However I would suggest Lisa you seriously consider why membership to your professional college would benefit you and especially to the woman you claim to 'care' for. We cannot take a Robinson Crusoe view and think midwives are on their own island when we have so many financial, political, professional, ethical and various codes of practice we are all expected to be accountable to.
At the present time the College does not have the resources or funds to be able to provide legal or financial officers. They leave the industrial framework many midwives work in to the various unions in each state, however unfortunately named, the ANF. However some states with active midwives are working on the name change to be more inclusive of midwives. I can assure you the ANF and Jill Iliffe are taking notice of midwives.
Collectively we are strong and we can do anything in a way that respects all views. Can I urge you to get involved.
Cheers Barb
-----Original Message-----
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Lisa Barrett
Sent: Wednesday, 6 September 2006 12:36 PM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] Fw: PI Insurance - urgent - more interested midwives needed

Hang on personalising this debate is very important to me if I have to sign up.  Maybe that's the problem not personal enough!!
My SAIMA South Australian Independent Midwives Association. Should surely have received some information affiliated to the college or not.  Having Insurance doesn't hinge on belonging to the College of Midwives.  I was at the same day as Tania, Not a mention of any Insurance issues then.
 
I don't think for one minute I have confusion.  I want to feel to be important enough to be in the loop and wanted opinion from others around Australia of what they actually thought about this not just the party line. what I have to say is as important as everyone else just because I want to be cautious doesn't mean I should shut up surely.
 
I know there are people working hard out there to benefit the midwifery community but please don't belittle my opinion or that of My SAIMA.
 
Doesn't anyone else think that getting your woman to pay them and then they take what is required and give you the rest may be an issue.  Can we all start charging 30dollars and will that cover our insurance tax, commission etc. What if they are not happy with something and won't pay up.  They could start making policies and if we don't follow what they think is correct procedure they don't pay up. Has this been covered with the company?
 
Thanks everyone
Lisa
 
----- Original Message -----
From: B & G
Sent: Wednesday, September 06, 2006 8:57 AM
Subject: RE: [ozmidwifery] Fw: PI Insurance - urgent - more interested midwives needed

Lisa,
Personalising debate is not wholesome. Its like NIMBY debates! 
An email went out via ACM update that people can subscribe to about PI to express an interest to the CEO at that stage. This was then relayed onto ozmidwifery. I do not think it has progressed beyond an _expression_ of interest from midwives to the college.
I rely on the elected members from my state branch of the College to act on everyones best interest. Some things especially business related do have some confidential discussions. One thing the College is particularly keen to do is to ensure safe practice and safe care hence progression of the Midwifery Practice Review nationally.
Your SAIMA are they affiliated to the College or participate in the College activities because this is probably where your confusion is coming from hearing things as you said 3rd hand? The college update is very informative and keeps you in the loop.
Barb

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