Nice answer :)
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Heartlogic 
  To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au 
  Sent: Sunday, December 24, 2006 1:18 PM
  Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] synto AFTER 3rd stage?


  Great question Kristin. 

  If a woman who has given birth to her baby is in her 'tend and befriend' 
neural network regulatory process aka parasympathetic aspect of her autonomic 
nervous system, then her endogenous oxytocin will be high, therefore doing what 
endogenous oxytocin does - contract her uterus, stimulate lactogenesis, 
generate sensations of loving her baby, stimulate all sorts of yummy, healthy 
physiological effects, which in turn creates more of the same. BTW, that is the 
state we are all meant to be in - our physiology works for health and harmony 
in that 'state'.  

  If however, she is frightened, cold, disrupted, interfered with or her baby 
is taken away from her for whatever reason, including weighing, measuring etc, 
therefore her autonomic nervous system switches into the 'flight, fight or 
freeze' state, then she may be much more likely to bleed and therefore 'need' 
exogenous oxytocin. 

  Fascinating how we create what we are always trying to prevent/control :-)

  Something that is not well enough known is that when we give exogenous 
oxytocics aka syntocinon, then that synthetic hormone does not cross the blood 
brain barrier and therefore does not act like a behavioural hormone, meaning it 
does not help mothers fall in love with their babies and it does switch off the 
woman's own oxytocin supply, which complicates the falling in love issue.  So 
giving exogenous oxytocin interrrupts bonding and even distorts it. That's a 
big responsibility and we are seeing the effects of our (medically dominated 
and controlled/interrupted birthing process) meddlesome ways in our society's 
ills right now. 

  I for one, would not advocate giving syntocinon after the placenta was born 
for 'insurance' reasons.  

  It is really time that we all started looking at what makes our physiology 
work best, instead of the Newtonian way of always trying to control 'risk'.  
That is shutting the door after the horse has bolted way of doing things.  We 
have to reduced risk by optimising conditions before we get to the risky state. 
We are busy creating risk by frightening women. We have to start asking 'what 
helps women feel confident?'  'what helps women feel safe in their own skins?'  
' what can we do to make the birth environment one which enhances women's sense 
of self and internal security?'   "what helps women feel relaxed and calm?'  
"What do we need to do to help women stay in their parasympathetic aspect of 
their autonomic nervous system?"

  At Belmont, we are seeing the effects of facilitating, supporting and 
respecting the normal parasympathetic way of being - healthy happy babies and 
mothers, well bonded.  Labour goes better and faster, perineums are stretchier, 
love is more likely and deep, connection between mother/baby/family is 
facilitated, breastfeeding goes better, babies are healthy and happy and 
smiling from birth - we know they smile in the womb, but we can't see that til 
they're born. 

  love, Carolyn 


    ----- Original Message ----- 
    From: Kristin Beckedahl 
    To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au 
    Sent: Sunday, December 24, 2006 12:47 PM
    Subject: [ozmidwifery] synto AFTER 3rd stage?


    Hi all,

    A woman I will be supporting for her first birth had a checkup y'day where 
she discussed her birth plan with the midwife.  MW was very impressed and 
supportive overall, yet was concerned about her decision for a natural 3rd 
stage. She has stated on her birth plan that she would prefer to take the "wait 
and see approach" and only have it if there was 'excessive' bleeding.  The MW 
was happy to negiotiate this with her and suggested she have it not at birth, 
but after the placenta has come away.

    Would she really need it at this stage....if her loss was minimal...?

    Any insights would be appreciated thanks!

    Kristin




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