On 2011-07-19, at 10:06 AM, Kapukaranov, Borislav wrote:
> Hi Pascal,
>
> Thanks for the answer J
> I was intending to fail early therefore perform the uses resolution before
> downloading.
> Still the technical solution isn’t fixed and it’s good to have options in
> mind, so I’m curious in the easy solution, can you share it? J
>
> I agree with you on 2 and 4.
> BTW do you know when the manifest is currently loaded?
In 3.7, the manifest is no longer used. The bsn was preserved in the
generated metadata such that metadata generated with 3.7 would still be usable
by 3.6 installs (for example in the case of upgrade from 3.6 to 3.7)
Back in 3.6 (see R3_6_0 version of the eclipse touchpoint), the
manifest was used to construct a bundle info that was then passed to framework
admin.
>
> On the Virgo aspect:
> 1) I’m not sure if I understood the question entirely but currently in a
> standard Virgo, there is only Equinox resolution and we’ve seen it fail
> because of “uses”.
> We even have “uses” diagnostics in the Web Admin console to help users as its
> happening more often than expected.
> All in all uses failure isn’t happening on every app deployment but it should
> be considered common.
> For example almost every Spring bundle I’ve checked in Virgo’s packaging has
> a lot of “uses” in their MANIFESTs, so chances are every Spring app might
> also utilize this.
> “Uses” is an important aspect of deployment in Virgo and I would really like
> to benefit from the metadata separation in p2 to fail early when such
> problems are detected without downloading artifacts.
This is interesting. The reason why I was suggesting to fail later than
earlier for this scenario is that based on my understanding, server
environments were much more controlled (controlled repo, controlled bundles
through plans, etc.) and as such the chances to run into a resolution error at
install time were much lower in comparison to a typical Eclipse SDK scenario
where ppl install things from various repos.
So the "easy" solution I had in mind consisted in letting the download
occur (and maybe a bit more) and perform the osgi level resolution using the
manifests that are in the bundles that got downloaded. This validation could be
done as part of the commit phase of the touchpoint.
From what I have seen, the uses clause are much more frequent when
people are generating the manifest (e.g. using bnd) rather than authoring them.
Btw, could you please construct a test case where p2 would install a
set of bundles that would then fail to resolver at runtime because of uses
clause. I have been after such use cases for a while but nobody ever provided
one to me and I have been lazy to try to create one :)
> 2) If by resolver you mean Equinox’s, there is a method to set a
> resolver hook to the resolver.
> After that any resolution performed with that resolver instance respects the
> current region configuration. Such resolver is used to catch “uses” conflicts.
> In the p2 resolver’s case we did it by exposing the stuff visible from the
> kernel region as IU in the user region’s profile (as we discussed some time
> ago, there are two profiles for the two regions) –this IU is generated on
> Virgo’s start-up according to the currently defined visibility configuration.
> So far I haven’t seen any problems with this.
>
> Best Regards
> Borislav
>
>
> From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On
> Behalf Of Pascal Rapicault
> Sent: Tuesday, July 19, 2011 2:02 AM
> To: P2 developer discussions
> Subject: Re: [p2-dev] Publishing units with whole manifest
>
> Hey,
>
> On 2011-07-12, at 7:29 PM, Borislav Kapukaranov wrote:
>
>
> Hi,
>
> The code still has a reduced set of "interestingKeys" in
> BundlesAction:411-426 (toManifestString() method).
>
> It seems this change is fairly old. Is it possible that tycho uses older
> p2.publisher version?
> Or indeed this is configurable somehow and the touchpoint data is modified at
> a later point?
> From memory Tycho has not yet been updated to use p2 3.7.
> What you've seen in BundlesAction is everything when it comes to
> generate an IU from a bundle. There is no flag to keep on including a
> complete manifest in the IU.
>
>
>
> I'm curious about that because when integrating Virgo with p2 it became clear
> that the manifest of some artifacts or at least parts of it needs to be
> published as well in order to transfer the "uses" package data it contains
> and extract it later when deploying but prior executing the provisioning plan
> to feed it in an Equinox resolver.
> To be sure, do you intend to do this resolution before
> downloading the bundles?
> If you don't, I have an easy answer, if you do, it is another story :)
>
> Stepping back on why we stopped including the complete manifest in 3.7, this
> was mostly done to improve the memory consumption when loading large repos.
> Given that other changes have been done, it would worth checking what would
> be the cost of reintroducing the manifests. Aside from this I can think of
> several solutions:
> 1) adding a flag to the publisher for the IUs to always include
> the manifests, but this could cause an issue for the consumer since some IUs
> in the dependency chain of the one he wants to consume may not have the
> required manifest information.
> 2) adding back the manifest in every IU, but improve the parsing
> code to skip over the attribute and only load it on demand
> 3) enhancing the p2 requirement model to include the uses flag
> (so you would have the data in there and could continue on what I assume is
> inferring the manifest from the IU requirements) and having it be ignored by
> the p2 resolver for now.
> 4) change the code in BundlesAction to include the complete
> manifest if it has a uses clause.
>
> At this point, I think that 2 and 4 are the most viable. 3 would work, but is
> heavier to coordinate since it will require a metadata change unless we
> decide to play some trick with how the uses clause is expressed (e.g. we
> could have it be a provided capability instead of a requirement but this is
> really ugly :) ).
>
> Now two questions on the virgo aspect:
> - How often does the resolution fail when the app is actually deployed?
> - How will you handle the regions while invoking the resolver?
>
> HTH
>
> PaScaL
>
>
>
> So if there is a standard way to configure publishing the whole manifest it
> would be helpful to understand how its done.
> If there isn't then what do you think is the best way to transfer extra
> manifest data from publishing to the resolution phase?
> An idea can be to publish properties to the IUs containing just the "uses"
> data or maybe a new "uses" xml element. Obviously reverting to publish the
> whole manifest again is a step backwards.
>
> Thanks,
> Borislav
>
> 2011/7/12 Борислав Капукаранов <[email protected]>
> Hi,
>
> While browsing Eclipse's hudson server I stumbled upon some maven/tycho build
> jobs that publish p2 repositories with units containing the whole artifact
> manifest.
> For example check out the content.xml here:
> https://hudson.eclipse.org/hudson/job/gemini-management/ws/gemini.mgmt.repository/target/site/
> The pom.xml used to build this site is here:
> https://hudson.eclipse.org/hudson/job/gemini-management/ws/gemini.mgmt.repository/pom.xml
>
> Another example is this jetty repo:
> https://hudson.eclipse.org/hudson/view/Jetty-RT/job/jetty-wtp/ws/org.eclipse.jst.server.jetty.site/target/packed/repository/
>
> I thought publishing the whole manifest is removed from p2 due to performance
> issues. I'm pretty sure I saw it in the code too.
> Is it still possible to activate it somehow, considering these repositories I
> found?
>
> Thanks
> Borislav
>
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