On Wed, Jan 16, 2013 00:46:20 AM -0800, Karl Robillard wrote: > On Monday, January 14, 2013 09:44:58 AM M. Fioretti wrote: > > On Sun, Jan 13, 2013 15:19:28 PM -0800, Karl Robillard wrote: > > > On Saturday, January 12, 2013 04:44:37 PM M. Fioretti wrote: > > > > I really think that the first thing that made the "Athenian model" > > > > possible in the first place was that their world was much simpler and > > > > smaller. > > > > > > That's true that they lived in a less complex environment, but we > > > have much better techniques and tools to handle complexity here in > > > 2013. > > > > I don't think that this, even if true, is sufficient, or maybe even > > relevant. > > That was kind of my point. The complexity you perceive is relative
I seriously think you misunderstood me (it could be my fault, of course) No, certain complexity isn't relative at all. Not if you want to live in a certain way, at least. Please do read all my previous messages in this thread. I'm not talking of laws artificially made overly complex on _purpose_ (a huge problems of our time) to keep power. I'm talking of the intrinsical complexity of technical issues today vs those the average Athenian had to face 2500 years ago. See the examples I already made. > To say that the average person is not capable of helping to organize > society is an endorsement for authoritarianism. Will you stand for > direct democracy, or will you be ruled by bureaucrats and > technocrats? A critique to 100% direct democracy isn't necessarily an endorsement of authoritarianism. What on earth makes you suggest that? This said, if YOU really want to frame the issue in that way (which is misleading IMO, but OK): I'd rather be ruled by bureaucrats and technocrats that are really, really accountable, rather than from continuous vote of many individuals who are (including ME, of course) thouroughly disinterested and incompetent on many topics, and therefore, in many cases, would hit the right decision just out of luck or statistics. Marco _______________________________________________ P2P Foundation - Mailing list http://www.p2pfoundation.net https://lists.ourproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/p2p-foundation
