thanks Tib
On Tue, Feb 4, 2014 at 2:31 PM, Tiberius Brastaviceanu < [email protected]> wrote: > You have more info about the project here > > http://www.sensorica.co/home/working-space/labonline-network/montreal-labonline/project-vie > > > On Tue, Feb 4, 2014 at 2:30 PM, Tiberius Brastaviceanu < > [email protected]> wrote: > >> Hi Michel, >> >> For the status on the open innovation hub in Montreal I'll paste message >> that I sent to the community involved in building it. >> Also note that this Friday we have a meetup for funding the Open World. >> http://www.meetup.com/SENSORICA-Fridays/events/164177012/ >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> Hello everyone, >> >> First, I would like to thank the groups who submitted the >> form<https://docs.google.com/forms/d/1gfxRRIMwo1Mwt_wxcEzucRSzRov09A5W6AMct-gx8d8/viewform> >> for >> project description. Francois and I compiled some of the results >> here<https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0ArYM2AwylYmVdHZVNjYyMXFjSVd5U2t1TFlXU2x5dVE&usp=drive_web#gid=5> >> . >> >> Monday (Jan 03, 2014) morning >> Francois<http://www.sensorica.co/home/about-us/francois-bergeron> >> , Yasir <http://www.sensorica.co/home/about-us/yasir-siddiqui>, and >> myself <http://www.sensorica.co/home/about-us/tiberius-brastaviceanu> had >> a meeting with Genevieve (business development) and Jean Francois >> (director) from CDEC Rosemont <http://www.cdec-rpp.ca/en/default.aspx> to >> discuss about space and funding. Francois' analysis lead to something near >> 15K sq.feet of space and 1M$ to cover only the equipment and the rent for >> one year for all the groups in the open cluster. >> >> 1M$ may seem a lot, but in fact this is a very conservative and even a >> timid estimate. This similar Australian >> project<http://catalyst-project.com.au/macquarie-house/> got >> 3M$ to start, which is still a small amount compared to other places like >> Barcelona and Berlin. In fact, every major city in the world either has a >> place like that or badly wants one. >> >> I would like us to understand that what we propose is cutting edge and >> doesn't even exist yet. SENSORICA and its OVN >> model<http://valuenetwork.referata.com/wiki/Main_Page> is >> already recognized by those who designed and built the fab labs of the >> world as being the next thing. I want Quebec/Montreal to realize that we >> don't need to do catch up. Investing in our project actually means >> maintaining the lead. >> >> During the past few weeks we discussed with different organizations like >> Innovitech, Genome Canada, National Bank, and others, about SENSORICA, the >> OVN >> model <http://valuenetwork.referata.com/wiki/Main_Page> and our VIE >> project. Open innovation is hot and "open source" is now up in the air in a >> few consortia we interacted with. Platforms for collaboration and >> co-creation are needed. A value accounting >> system<http://valuenetwork.referata.com/wiki/Value_accounting_system> and >> metrics to evaluate network/business ecosystem performance are the new holy >> grail. In short, our project and especially the open cluster shows a lot of >> potential. This is the reason why we invited everyone this Friday to >> discuss the funding >> strategy<http://www.meetup.com/SENSORICA-Fridays/events/164177012/>. >> >> >> The CDEC Rosemont allocates almost a full time job to the VIE project. >> They were in charge of negotiations for the building on Park >> ave.<https://maps.google.ca/?ll=45.526795,-73.610855&spn=0.004953,0.009645&t=m&z=17&layer=c&cbll=45.526914,-73.612806&panoid=7oPU68v_hztch00_LDDGZw&cbp=12,161.57,,0,-11.18> >> (see pics <https://picasaweb.google.com/113604040352055118647/NewSpace>) >> which turned out to be too expensive. They visited the other location with >> us (see >> announcement<https://sites.google.com/site/sensoricahome/home/working-space/labonline-network/montreal-labonline/project-vie?place=topic%2Fproject-vie%2Fd5Zvrz_5vSY%2Fdiscussion>) >> and they continue searching. In parallel to our efforts (the open cluster) >> the CDEC is also organizing a network of small companies that have a >> culture of sharing and collaboration to compose the other side of VIE. But >> the CDEC Rosemont falls short of putting skin in the game. No funding has >> been promised yet, not even a few thousands to rent another room at CTS, >> and they continue to be very elusive when it comes to other sources of >> funding that were mentioned at the beginning of the project. >> >> I see in CDEC Rosemont a great partner. After spending time with >> Genevieve and Jean Francois, I believe that they share the same desire. In >> my opinion, the CDEC Rosemont would love to see the open cluster >> (SENSORICA, other OVNs or open and informal groups) succeed, because this >> would be a great victory for them too. But they perceive the OVN model a >> bit too risky and they still don't know how to deal with it. After their >> problems with the CTS they can't afford VIE to fail and they can't really >> cheer wholeheartedly for the open cluster. >> >> Let's face it, SENSORICA and its OVN model are new, unconventional, very >> poorly understood, not fully tested, with no metrics for evaluation and >> projections, no clear governance yet, a special legal structure... Yes, >> some academics like Mai and Soumaya support us, but that's not enough to >> expect Jean Francois Lalonde to take our cause and run the streets with it. >> The CDEC's reservations are well-understood and well-justified, in my >> opinion. They can't take this risk yet. So how can we help them? >> >> One way to help them is to bring some funding on our own from entities >> like Genome Canada <http://www.genomecanada.ca/en/>, National >> Bank<http://www.nbc.ca/bnc/cda/index/0,4229,divId-2_langId-1_navCode-1000,00.html>, >> CRIAQ <http://www.criaq.aero/>, MedTech <http://www.medtech.org/>, Loto >> Quebec <http://lotoquebec.com/ingenio/en/home#home>, etc. This would >> give the CDEC someone else to cheer with, because cheering alone is not >> fun. Some crowdfunding would also help, because in this case our project >> would be backed by the population, which is in fact the ultimate vote of >> confidence, because the CDEC's money comes from the same source. >> >> Until we bring a few parties to the CDEC to cheer with the CDEC will >> remain elusive on funding and will stay focused on "plan B", which is to >> boost the other side of VIE, i.e. the rent paying and equipment use paying >> cluster of small companies, which will at least guarantee the rent, will at >> least make the place survive. Moreover, the CDEC will want to control the >> governance of VIE, in case the open cluster doesn't perform economically >> they can squeeze more of these small companies in to pay the bills. Again, >> in my opinion, the CDEC wants the open cluster to succeed, because that >> would be a hell of a good story for them too, but they can't afford VIE to >> close its doors 2 years later because we can't pay the rent. >> >> My position has always been that we should find enough money for at least >> one year of rent for everyone in the open cluster, and for all the >> equipment needed to start. In fact, the use of space and equipment would >> not be free. Those in the open cluster would pay in equity, which means >> that if their projects reach the market they will redirect a % of revenue >> to the infrastructure. This % would be calculated using the value >> accounting system. Classical companies would pay cash for use. >> >> My friends, the ball is still in our court. The hardest thing is to >> find the first buyer. >> >> >> On Tue, Feb 4, 2014 at 9:21 AM, Michel Bauwens >> <[email protected]>wrote: >> >>> dear all, >>> >>> pursuant to my stated plan in fb to develop a p2p-based community in >>> vilcapamba in cooperation with Norie huddle (and richard wheeler) of the >>> vilcapamba garden of paradise >>> >>> Norie, perhaps you can send a summary of your ideas for the four lots ? >>> >>> I am thinking that the best legal structure, would be a communitly land >>> trust, coupled with a few action coops and linked to a 'infrastructural >>> commons' a la dmytri kleiner >>> >>> we're going to need legal help for his, carolina/josef, do you know >>> anyone in ecuador? >>> >>> vasilis/george, obviously we're thinking of cooperation agreements with >>> the p2p labs in greece, >>> >>> Tib: what is the status of your eco-lab in montreal ? >>> >>> Michel >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> <<dear friends, you will hear more from this ... I am returning from >>> the Garden of Paradise, near Vilcabamba, the valley of long life in Loja >>> province, Ecaudor ... I have seen the future of the physicalisation of the >>> peer foundation, at least one form of it. I met Norie Hurdle and her >>> partner Richard Wheeler. The place is magic and full of potential. So, I >>> have been thinking about the creation of a p2p eco-lab to test open >>> sustainable technologies, to do seminars, retreats, publishing and >>> multimedia activities. It will probably start with me going there for three >>> months in the spring each year. >>> -- >>> P2P Foundation: http://p2pfoundation.net - >>> http://blog.p2pfoundation.net >>> >>> <http://lists.ourproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/p2p-foundation>Updates: >>> http://twitter.com/mbauwens; http://www.facebook.com/mbauwens >>> >>> #82 on the (En)Rich list: http://enrichlist.org/the-complete-list/ >>> >> >> >> >> -- >> t!b! <http://www.google.com/profiles/tiberius.brastaviceanu> >> co-founder of SENSORICA <http://www.sensorica.co>, >> an open, decentralized and self-organizing >> value network (an open enterprise) >> >> founder of Multitude Project<https://sites.google.com/site/multitude2008/> >> >> Google Profile <https://plus.google.com/117593809719446924575/about> >> Facebook Tiberius >> Brastaviceanu<http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100000279944184> >> Twitter @TiberiusB <http://twitter.com/TiberiusB> >> > > > > -- > t!b! <http://www.google.com/profiles/tiberius.brastaviceanu> > co-founder of SENSORICA <http://www.sensorica.co>, > an open, decentralized and self-organizing > value network (an open enterprise) > > founder of Multitude Project<https://sites.google.com/site/multitude2008/> > > Google Profile <https://plus.google.com/117593809719446924575/about> > Facebook Tiberius > Brastaviceanu<http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100000279944184> > Twitter @TiberiusB <http://twitter.com/TiberiusB> > -- P2P Foundation: http://p2pfoundation.net - http://blog.p2pfoundation.net <http://lists.ourproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/p2p-foundation>Updates: http://twitter.com/mbauwens; http://www.facebook.com/mbauwens #82 on the (En)Rich list: http://enrichlist.org/the-complete-list/
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