your questions were published on february 3 and I started responding, see http://blog.p2pfoundation.net/questions-for-commoners-regarding-currencies/2014/02/03#comment-637357
On Tue, Jan 28, 2014 at 6:30 AM, Mike Riddell <[email protected]>wrote: > Thanks Michel. We will continue the dialogue. > > Best wishes, Mike. > *Mike Riddell* > *PLUSME LIMITED * > 07711 667725 > > From: Michel Bauwens <[email protected]> > Date: Monday, 27 January 2014 21:26 > To: Mike Riddell <[email protected]> > Subject: Fwd: P2P-Foundation Digest, Vol 37, Issue 48 > > responses on our p2p-f mailing list > > ---------- Forwarded message ---------- > From: <[email protected]> > Date: Mon, Jan 27, 2014 at 1:09 PM > Subject: P2P-Foundation Digest, Vol 37, Issue 48 > To: [email protected] > > > Send P2P-Foundation mailing list submissions to > [email protected] > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > > https://lists.ourproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/p2p-foundation > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > [email protected] > > You can reach the person managing the list at > [email protected] > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > than "Re: Contents of P2P-Foundation digest..." > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Re: can anyone reach javier, our wiki tech support > (Michel Bauwens) > 2. Fwd: Articles on FLOK in the Spanish newspapers (Michel Bauwens) > 3. Re: commons / market / currency questions by Mike Riddell > (Karl Robillard) > 4. Email Archives (Karl Robillard) > 5. Re: commons / market / currency questions by Mike Riddell > (Fabio Barone) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Mon, 27 Jan 2014 07:15:06 -0500 > From: Michel Bauwens <[email protected]> > Subject: Re: [P2P-F] can anyone reach javier, our wiki tech support > To: p2p-foundation <[email protected]>, Kevin > Flanagan <[email protected]> > Message-ID: > <CAK_2xiLfw7m+EDntXMSYmTNT= > [email protected]> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > he responded, checking the responses know, thanks Kevin > > <<Message: 4 > Date: Mon, 27 Jan 2014 06:11:22 +0100 > From: Kevin Flanagan <[email protected]> > Subject: Re: [P2P-F] can anyone reach javier, our wiki tech support > To: P2P Foundation mailing list <[email protected]> > Message-ID: > < > cacpswudk3ypkewexzgmwjljj9rwsbxkryiwbku+0qa6lscd...@mail.gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > Hi Michel unfortunately its 6 in the morning here. I can ring him at 9 if > he doesn't. respond. > On 2014-01-27 4:15 AM, "Michel Bauwens" <[email protected]> wrote: > > > the unannounced wiki transfer went wrong with thousands of hours of > > research material lost and this is quite distressing, > > > > can anyone reach javier, as I can't get any response in any medium ? > > > > -- > P2P Foundation: http://p2pfoundation.net - http://blog.p2pfoundation.net > > <http://lists.ourproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/p2p-foundation > >Updates: > http://twitter.com/mbauwens; http://www.facebook.com/mbauwens > > #82 on the (En)Rich list: http://enrichlist.org/the-complete-list/ > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: > https://lists.ourproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/private/p2p-foundation/attachments/20140127/3791ceff/attachment-0001.htm > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 2 > Date: Mon, 27 Jan 2014 07:18:08 -0500 > From: Michel Bauwens <[email protected]> > Subject: [P2P-F] Fwd: Articles on FLOK in the Spanish newspapers > To: p2p-foundation <[email protected]>, Andr?s > Delgado <[email protected]>, Mar?a Cristina Mart?nez Bravo > <[email protected]> > Message-ID: > < > cak_2xijqxkpxvpskaaokdx2umz4zyzewee6ke7quv-vknvq...@mail.gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > ---------- Forwarded message ---------- > From: Kevin Flanagan <[email protected]> > Date: Mon, Jan 27, 2014 at 7:14 AM > Subject: Re: Articles on FLOK in the Spanish newspapers > To: David Rozas <[email protected]>, Michael Bauwen < > [email protected]> > > > Thank you very much for the Flok articles David. Speak with you soon. > > Kevin > > > On 27 January 2014 13:03, David Rozas <[email protected]> wrote: > > > Hi Kevin, > > > > At the end, we managed to make it on time to the airport! ;-D > > > > Please find below some links with references to the FLOK Society in > > Spanish newspapers and social news websites: > > > > - > > > http://www.eldiario.es/turing/Ecuador-Rafael_Correa-FLOK_Society-buen_vivir-sumak_kawsay-procomun-p2p-copyleft-patentes_0_209279080.html(Spanishnewspaper). > > - > http://www.meneame.net/story/ecuador-pone-rumbo-economia-bien-comun(commentson > a popular social news site). > > - http://americas.barrapunto.com/article.pl?sid=13/12/11/2050237(link > > in the Spanish version of Slashdot). > > > > If I read some more, I will forward them to you. > > > > Cheers, > > > > David > > > > -- > > Personal website [en|es]: http://www.davidrozas.com > > Public key: http://www.davidrozas.com/pk/drozas_pk.asc > > > > > > > > -- > P2P Foundation: http://p2pfoundation.net - http://blog.p2pfoundation.net > > <http://lists.ourproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/p2p-foundation > >Updates: > http://twitter.com/mbauwens; http://www.facebook.com/mbauwens > > #82 on the (En)Rich list: http://enrichlist.org/the-complete-list/ > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: > https://lists.ourproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/private/p2p-foundation/attachments/20140127/f86ea249/attachment-0001.htm > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 3 > Date: Mon, 27 Jan 2014 09:37:37 -0800 > From: Karl Robillard <[email protected]> > Subject: Re: [P2P-F] commons / market / currency questions by Mike > Riddell > To: P2P Foundation mailing list <[email protected]> > Message-ID: <[email protected]> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > > Michel, > > > Here are some condensed responses to Mike Riddell's questions from this > URL: > > > http://blog.p2pfoundation.net/beyond-greenpirate-cooperation-towards-a-european-grand-alliance-of-the-commons/2014/01/24#comment-628220 > > > 1. Specific protocols. Not so relevant as a general question since > participants in the commons will be the ones choosing these, but with > regards > to currency see #4. > > 2. Redefining commons. The benefit of a commons over a market is it's > transparency and open access. > > 3. Networks effects. These are very real and not Utopian. > > 4. Social value cannot be reduced to a number (credits). It is relational > and > intrinsic (related to #3). > > > -Karl > > > P.S. Had to send this email twice. > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 4 > Date: Mon, 27 Jan 2014 09:44:42 -0800 > From: Karl Robillard <[email protected]> > Subject: [P2P-F] Email Archives > To: p2p-foundation <[email protected]> > Message-ID: <[email protected]> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > > I just tried to access the email archives and noticed that they are now > private and that the URL to them on the wiki is wrong (possibly because > they > became private). When did that happen? > > > -Karl > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 5 > Date: Mon, 27 Jan 2014 13:09:37 -0500 > From: Fabio Barone <[email protected]> > Subject: Re: [P2P-F] commons / market / currency questions by Mike > Riddell > To: P2P Foundation mailing list <[email protected]> > Message-ID: > < > caol8i_ks73e0a+_2ui1gu1amg+p3ghwnbznrjutl9xoot3q...@mail.gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > Please allow me my contributions. > I am particularly interested in point 4 though, > in the context of a local project I am participating. > No need to say, but I do: just my personal opinions :) > > 1.) A commons is a commons - a shared entity - air, water, an "allmend" > (shared grazing), biodiversity, etc. > It's in the interactions of its users and their needs and accesses that its > components arise... > (in other words I mean it's probably hard to generalize) > > 2.) Whatever organization its users decide to adopt could work... > Local cultural issues are very important in this context > > 3.) The "market" is like saying "God" - it's an intangible entity really... > It depends what you mean by it. A healthy community oriented market may be > fine, > a heavily manipulated and controlled market maybe less so... > > 4.) I am thinking along these same lines lately. Local institutions (like > NGOs, social help groups, > alternative educational orgs, art collectives etc.) with community > projects should get free credit > to be able to spend in circulation on local service providers, and with > sufficient diversity of participants > in the system, many needs could be served by members, making the units > circulate. > > But why would outside speculators want to buy stock from these groups? > If you specifically mention speculators, they are interested in returns > only, > not in the community interest. Stocks often also imply voting power in the > community, > so this to me doesn't seem very appealing. Also, where would these people > get their returns from? It would only work if they would be interested in > returns > generated inside the community, which may be non-monetary...so there could > be little incentive for them. > > Things could look differently though if there would be a purposely > sustainability/equitable stock market, > where investors wouldn't be interested in monetary returns foremost, but in > supporting great communities, > and would be open on the nature of the returns. Still this could be done in > bitcoins though (or something similar). > > A very ad-hoc response admittedly so bear with me :) > > > 2014-01-27 Karl Robillard <[email protected]> > > > Michel, > > > > > > Here are some condensed responses to Mike Riddell's questions from this > > URL: > > > > > > > http://blog.p2pfoundation.net/beyond-greenpirate-cooperation-towards-a-european-grand-alliance-of-the-commons/2014/01/24#comment-628220 > > > > > > 1. Specific protocols. Not so relevant as a general question since > > participants in the commons will be the ones choosing these, but with > > regards > > to currency see #4. > > > > 2. Redefining commons. The benefit of a commons over a market is it's > > transparency and open access. > > > > 3. Networks effects. These are very real and not Utopian. > > > > 4. Social value cannot be reduced to a number (credits). It is > relational > > and > > intrinsic (related to #3). > > > > > > -Karl > > > > > > P.S. 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